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#1 Viper Hunter

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Posted 28 June 2007 - 10:13 PM

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#2 Starscream49

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Posted 28 June 2007 - 10:24 PM

That guy is a fruit. He makes slurs then gets mad at people and accuses them of slurs. I hate it when certain groups use racial, sexual, etc as a crutch.

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 12:57 AM

You better watch what you say smile2.gif

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 01:08 AM

Holy crap...amazing the guy actually made himself look even worse! Beautiful. I hope he doesn't get another job and he dies homeless on the streets somewhere and the whole time he blames other people for his problems instead of saying "I had everything. I was on a hit TV show and then I pissed it all away by being a biased POS."

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 05:57 AM

QUOTE(Starscream49 @ Jun 28 2007, 10:24 PM) View Post
That guy is a fruit. He makes slurs then gets mad at people and accuses them of slurs. I hate it when certain groups use racial, sexual, etc as a crutch.


Have to agree with ya there.

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 01:10 PM

If the gay actor he insulted with the "faggot" reference (not once, but twice, and the 2nd time at an awards ceremony, like it was just "joking" or something) had INSTEAD, made the slur towards HIM, by using the "nigger" word (hopefully we're adults here, and I'm not offending anyone by being CLEAR on the harshness of the words, without having to use the "F-word" or N-word" abbreviations?) would this actor be supporting of the gay actors release from the show, for his offensive comments?

He's basically trying to claim that he knows he messed up (TWICE) but that because he's BLACK....he's not getting a fair shake (like somebody else might) in redeeming himself and therefore it must be a racist issue. rolleyes.gif


I just blows my mind, when I see stuff like this, and it happens fairly often, where you see someone of some minority status, get in trouble about something or have a hard way to go, like any of the rest of us might experience in life (lose a job over poor performance, get denied on a job or credit application, get pulled over and ticketed for traffic violations, etc..) and they rationalize that it's due to some racist mentality at work.

This actor was HIRED by the same people that FIRED him, so if they were truly "racist"..why would they have hired him in the FIRST place? He claims he became an outspoken Black man, so that scared or threatened them? "Outspoken" on what? How is being derogatory towards homosexuals you work with, just being "outspoken" and not to be taken as offensive? Like the hypothetical situation I posed above....would he have forgiven the gay actors derogatory comments against him, as just being outspoken and not worthy of any REAL concern about his possible biased or bigoted mentality?

I sorta doubt it.

I don't think Hollywood is the place you'd want to go around expressing your ill feelings towards the homosexual lifestyle in, or throwing homosexual based slurs around.

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 02:04 PM

He thought he could get a 2nd chance because he is black? ohmy.gif

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 03:32 PM

He didn't say anything racist, and if he did, that's no excuse for destroying his livelihood. He just made some anti-gay remarks when one of his castmates pushed him into a fight.


I don't believe in the thought police going around throwing their weight around every time someone gets offended, because if we had a right to persecute someone for how we feel, we'd all be on death row. It's even more ridiculous to know that he, Michael Richards, and Mel Gibson had to get THERAPY for simply using words that others don't like. They're not mentally ill. They're just dumb-asses who said something stupid when they lost their tempers. The ones who are mentally ill are the ones who think people need therapy and need their careers destroyed if you say something they disagree with, and act like they have a right to control what comes out of your mouth. Freedom of speech: accept the bad with the good or get out.


What's the difference between calling someone a racist/homophobic slur and calling someone a f***ing ***hole? It's all hateful just the same. Do I need therapy for yelling "#$#@#" to a woman who cut me off on the freeway yesterday? It was hateful.


He is a good actor, and to throw away his career and slander him as a homophobe for something he said out of anger is wrong. Enough of the mobs telling you what you can or can't say. Nobody cares when athiests offend Christians in the name of intolerance. Nobody cares when Muslims offend everybody in the name of intolerance. Nobody should care when someone screws up and says something stupid like Isiah Washington did.


But it's Disney, the same organization who annually has "gay days" for homosexual couples and their families only. Their tolerance is even lower than what they think Isiah's is.

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 04:34 PM

QUOTE(OB1Killa @ Jun 29 2007, 03:04 PM) View Post
He thought he could get a 2nd chance because he is black? ohmy.gif



No, I believe he THOUGHT he didn't get a 2nd chance (which he did, but he blew it) only because he's Black and "loud", and he's asserting that if he wasn't Black, he wouldn't have been fired. He is assuming that all non-Black people automatically get favors and 2nd chances, but not him....

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 04:53 PM

QUOTE(Three Storms @ Jun 29 2007, 04:32 PM) View Post
He didn't say anything racist, and if he did, that's no excuse for destroying his livelihood. He just made some anti-gay remarks when one of his castmates pushed him into a fight.



True, and I should clarify that I don't think the language was derogatory to a "race" as what the term "racist" comment would imply, (technically anyway) as I don't think homosexuality is a "race" but a lifestyle. We ALL have sexual tendencies and the choice to engage in whichever tendency LEGALLY suits our fancy. Our Race is not something we have a choice in. wink.gif

So while I guess I'm back tracking from the "racist" term on what he said, I still think it was very derogatory and offensive nonetheless.





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I don't believe in the thought police going around throwing their weight around every time someone gets offended, because if we had a right to persecute someone for how we feel, we'd all be on death row. It's even more ridiculous to know that he, Michael Richards, and Mel Gibson had to get THERAPY for simply using words that others don't like. They're not mentally ill. They're just dumb-asses who said something stupid when they lost their tempers. The ones who are mentally ill are the ones who think people need therapy and need their careers destroyed if you say something they disagree with, and act like they have a right to control what comes out of your mouth. Freedom of speech: accept the bad with the good or get out.


What's the difference between calling someone a racist/homophobic slur and calling someone a f***ing ***hole? It's all hateful just the same. Do I need therapy for yelling "#$#@#" to a woman who cut me off on the freeway yesterday? It was hateful.


He is a good actor, and to throw away his career and slander him as a homophobe for something he said out of anger is wrong. Enough of the mobs telling you what you can or can't say. Nobody cares when athiests offend Christians in the name of intolerance. Nobody cares when Muslims offend everybody in the name of intolerance. Nobody should care when someone screws up and says something stupid like Isiah Washington did.


But it's Disney, the same organization who annually has "gay days" for homosexual couples and their families only. Their tolerance is even lower than what they think Isiah's is.


It's the same thing that happened to Imus. It's about RATINGS, and if you even so much as THREATEN to kill or damage ratings, by actions or comments like this, you'll most definitely get the axe, especially if you're a bit part player on a sitcom. Imus was the STAR attraction, and the sponsors fear of a backlash against them, for advertising on his show, took him out of the game....IMMEDIATELY!

Mel Gibson or Micheal Richards hurt their images, but the effects of it, couldn't be as obvious as an Imus or this guy here, as they weren't part of anything to be fired from. They'll only feel the effects when they return to the entertainment industry to try and work their trade, and if they get declined or unsupported, THEN they'll feel the repercussions from it.

This Washington guy, was getting support from everyone, after his initial ANGRY blowup, and even the actor he offended was forgiving and supportive of him and they wanted it to be dropped and things to return back to "normal" but like I already stated, this Isiah then went on to make a glib and ill thought out comment, using the same gay slur reference, in a post award interview, and it was taken as he really didn't learn anything, he wasn't TRULY contrite and he wasn't even ANGRY that time, so what's up?

The 2nd screw up caught the attention of the sponsors and directors fearing a public backlash, and like ol' Imus...Isiah was let go, but only AFTER he was aware of his initial reduction in future scripts for the show, almost like a gradually "write off" and that's when he came at the producers with the RACIST charges.

He shot himself in the foot at that point. You call people racist, for treating you as a liability to the success of their "product" because YOU yourself spouted off and offended enough people to threaten this "products" popularity, and then act all indignant to the repercussions and accuse people of racist attitudes for having to deal with you over your own stupid behavior.....that's ignorant and SELF destructive, and nobody else's fault but his own.

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 06:34 PM

QUOTE(Three Storms @ Jun 29 2007, 04:32 PM) View Post
He didn't say anything racist, and if he did, that's no excuse for destroying his livelihood. He just made some anti-gay remarks when one of his castmates pushed him into a fight.


I don't believe in the thought police going around throwing their weight around every time someone gets offended, because if we had a right to persecute someone for how we feel, we'd all be on death row. It's even more ridiculous to know that he, Michael Richards, and Mel Gibson had to get THERAPY for simply using words that others don't like. They're not mentally ill. They're just dumb-asses who said something stupid when they lost their tempers. The ones who are mentally ill are the ones who think people need therapy and need their careers destroyed if you say something they disagree with, and act like they have a right to control what comes out of your mouth. Freedom of speech: accept the bad with the good or get out.


What's the difference between calling someone a racist/homophobic slur and calling someone a f***ing ***hole? It's all hateful just the same. Do I need therapy for yelling "#$#@#" to a woman who cut me off on the freeway yesterday? It was hateful.


He is a good actor, and to throw away his career and slander him as a homophobe for something he said out of anger is wrong. Enough of the mobs telling you what you can or can't say. Nobody cares when athiests offend Christians in the name of intolerance. Nobody cares when Muslims offend everybody in the name of intolerance. Nobody should care when someone screws up and says something stupid like Isiah Washington did.


But it's Disney, the same organization who annually has "gay days" for homosexual couples and their families only. Their tolerance is even lower than what they think Isiah's is.


Just because he's an actor doesn't mean he should get special treatment. If ANY of us got caught using a racial slur at work we'd be likely to get fired.

I doubt that the therapy Richards and Gibson got were required from others and more of just a show to try and convince people that they really didn't mean it and they are trying to do something about it. Its just a BS coverup on their part.

We do have freedom of speech and we do have to accept the good and the bad. So does Washington. He is getting the bad right now as he was fired for what he said. Just because we have freedom of speech doesn't mean you can't be fired if your remarks cost the company $.

I'm not trying to be the thought police. I don't care what he thinks (obviously he doesn't do too much thinking). But just as he has the right to call someone a slur I have the right to sit back and laugh when he gets fired. Thats funny and makes me happy.

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 07:13 PM

His remarks hadn't costed them a dime. The season had just ended, so no ratings hit had occurred. Some people complained, the matter was pretty much reserved for the tabloids, he did a public service announcement for the gay groups, and all was forgiven and they were all moving on from it when Disney decided that it wasn't enough and wanted him to pay some more.





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Posted 29 June 2007 - 07:20 PM

ugh, ugh and double ugh

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 07:35 PM

QUOTE(Three Storms @ Jun 29 2007, 08:13 PM) View Post
His remarks hadn't costed them a dime. The season had just ended, so no ratings hit had occurred. Some people complained, the matter was pretty much reserved for the tabloids, he did a public service announcement for the gay groups, and all was forgiven and they were all moving on from it when Disney decided that it wasn't enough and wanted him to pay some more.


Yet...it seems a preemptive strike. Besides if this latest batch of comments is any indication of his personality he probably wasn't someone everyone liked backstage.

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Posted 29 June 2007 - 09:38 PM

Ehh, I don't care too much. He said some stupid stuff, and he got fired. It happens. Life goes on! He's just pissed b/c he got fired from a "hot" show righ now... if it were any other show, he'd not care less. If he doesn't find another job, maybe he should go back to school?? tongue.gif

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Posted 30 June 2007 - 01:09 AM

QUOTE(nevermore @ Jun 29 2007, 08:35 PM) View Post
QUOTE(Three Storms @ Jun 29 2007, 08:13 PM) View Post
His remarks hadn't costed them a dime. The season had just ended, so no ratings hit had occurred. Some people complained, the matter was pretty much reserved for the tabloids, he did a public service announcement for the gay groups, and all was forgiven and they were all moving on from it when Disney decided that it wasn't enough and wanted him to pay some more.


Yet...it seems a preemptive strike. Besides if this latest batch of comments is any indication of his personality he probably wasn't someone everyone liked backstage.



Exactly! He's already shown himself to be a loose cannon, problem child on the set, and having already argued LOUDLY with his fellow cast members, then going after the producers...I think they were wise to cut the time bomb loose. He's got an attitude problem and a major chip on his shoulder, which erupted enough already for their liking.

Not because he's Black (like he thinks)....but because he's a troublemaker and desperately seeking attention. the kind of attention that generates ratings for "reality shows" on MTV, but not on primetime sitcoms, and especially not when it's behind the scenes, outside of dressing rooms.

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Posted 30 June 2007 - 01:17 AM

I have a dual opinion about this. On one hand, we have have the preconceived notion that status and power places you above the law in certain respects; if you're powerful enough or famous enough, you get off lightly, or the proverbial slap on the wrist, so to speak. And we the public relish in the fact that these high-and-mighty people (Enron execs, Paris Hilton, etc.) are actually held accountable for their actions, that there are consequences for their actions. It's always fun to see these irreverent people discover that no, you can't do or say just anything you want. You're gonna pay for it.

On the other hand, we're all human, whether we're Lindsey Lohan or Joe Blow down the street. We all mess up, and we all make mistakes. It's so easy to blame people when they're in the public eye, but what would we do if someone was always there ready to record any slip-up we might do on a daily basis? Now granted, some people never learn and grow from past mistakes, and they continue to damage their name and/or rep. I just want to see these people see the err of their ways and grow from mistakes. We can all respect that, can't we, when someone messes-up, admits it, and tries to do better in the future?

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Posted 30 June 2007 - 06:42 AM

But they aren't... he only "admitted" to it, because he knew he would be in trouble if he didn't. Then he made it worst by saying it AGAIN, "apologized" and did therapy and a few 'saccharine', annoying commercials.

There was no real apologies or anything here. In fact, now he's compounding the whole thing by being so vocal about it. If he humbly accepted that they might not want him on THIS show anymore, maybe he'd be able to find something else. NOW he's all but blacklisted from TV, I'm sure, because everyone's afraid to hire such a loud, angry loose-cannon.

I understand he messed up.. What he said was WRONG. But how he handled everything just shows how insincere everything he did was. dry.gif

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Posted 30 June 2007 - 12:21 PM

People are just too sensitive.

"Waaaah, someone called me a mean name! Fire them...fire them NOW! Waaaaaahhhh."

We are a nation of children.

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Posted 30 June 2007 - 12:39 PM

Who's the bigger child, the one who gets offended or the one who calls them names?

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Posted 30 June 2007 - 04:33 PM

I've seen a lot of people lose their cool and go off on a loud and nasty, name-calling tirade. If done in public, they might suffer a moment of regret and embarrassment later, or if done with friends or family, it can take a while to get back any loss of respect they'll suffer from it (it's easier to keep it, than to try and get it back).

If you lose your cool in the work place, it can be an entirely different matter these days. If you have to resort to yelling, or fighting and name calling (using racial slurs or what have you) it's more than just LIKELY, you're going to lose your position or job.

It's only reasonable, that we (as a society) should expect others to be able to maintain themselves, temper their emotions, and TRY to be adults, especially when dealing with difficult or unpleasant situations. On the job is even more important, as that is our livelihood.

Seeing how all we see on TV is people fighting and bitching at each other (pick ANY reality based program you wish, as an example) it's apparently becoming the "norm" to be such emotional idiots in public, and no need to worry about the behavior, since (just like on TV) everyone just gets over it, and moves on until the NEXT dramatic, emotionally charged blowup.

I don't think it's funny or entertaining to WATCH, whether it's REAL, scripted, or otherwise, and that included on TV and in real life.

It's childish to misbehave like this, and expect to be forgiven each and every time you fly off. It's NOT childish to expect everyone to be able to act like adults, and if they can't, it's NOT childish to tell them to move on, they're not wanted anymore. Look at the crap the idiots in professional sports get away with, and they're making millions and still acting like spoiled little brats. They should be fired as well.

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Posted 30 June 2007 - 06:19 PM

That's why you fire someone for another reason, like showing up late, etc.




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