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i am with hyperion on this. dcuc are fantastic and marvel legends could be the same. toybiz showed that it can be high on demand. even hasbro could make a huge impact. everyone loved black widow and deadpool and so every other figure in that voting. how manny people said that all the figs should come out? a lot. so the reaction was there, where is the action that fallows? hasbro always finds a way to turn people down. dont know why.

 

-scale? tarantula, sorry i cant get over it :tongue:

-paint? well i saw worse :wink:

-reused heads? now what is up with that :dry:

-one wave per year? keep it hot not cold :wacko:

-showing great figs and releasing...... well nothing? that makes sense. :unsure:

 

i dont want them to stop yet because i love marvel so much. i mean hasbro did a fantastic job with maria hill, carter, nick fury. then again, iron man was a good figure but way to small. there is suppose to be a dude under this armor. dum dum? come on he isnt that muscular. see if hasbro would invest on just one new body per wave, a lot can happen. hasbro doesnt want to listen and thats a fact. mattel does a lot to please fans. i can see it everytime. i buy my figs online and with a little patience you can find great prices on ebay too. i love both lines but for now my love goes to dcuc until hasbro gets wise and see's what's going on and i guess that can take a while.

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Apparently you haven't seen or noticed what DC Universe is doing with 6" figures. Even some of the more obscure DC characters have made it into plastic form and have done well. It just goes to show what a little marketing, solid buy in from retailers, and the ever popular, LISTENING TO YOUR DAMN FAN BASE can do for a figure line. Lets face it, Marvel Legends isn't dead, Hasbro is just trying to kill it. To bad they are full of a bunch of idiots that just don't seem to "get it". Why couldn't Marvel have looked past competitive differences to get their product handled right by Mattel is beyond me.

 

Any questions?

 

Oh i know what DCUC is all about, shoddy QC, impossible to find figures, high prices, articulation on par/below that of even Hasbro MLs and I LIKE DCUC.

 

 

Please don't ever use excuses like prices of DC cuz ML Foom series was way outta line to start with and as far as availability goes, Hasbro has given us terrible product or did you already forget Nemesis wave? Hasbro can't paint or shade anything and their articulation is so shoddy you should be ashamed of even mentioning DCUC in the same category. Need another refresher? How bout Target series Black Spiderman. What kind of spidey can't freaking move his hands to shoot webs? Overall I would have to say DCUC has taken all of the stumbling blocks of Hasbro and perfected on their ideas from Toybiz concepts. The only complaint I have with them is I would prefer more hand variations. DCUC and Hasbro are in 2 different leagues, hasbro happens to be in the minors waiting to be called up to play.

ML Foom wave had a nice excuse, most of the figures were on the large scale(much larger then any normal ML/DCUC these days for sure, minus She Hulk anyway, and Sampson and Absorbing Man were about normal size if not a tad bigger) and the paint on a good bit of those figures were good as well, and Foom himself is bigger then any DCUC C&C except maybe Chemo.

 

Nemesis wave huh? yeah Beast is crap kinda(a wash would fix his looks but the artic is lame on the legs, swivel is needed more so then double knees) Nova is crap cause of the plastic colors and no sculpted detail, normal Punisher is bland(camo is great though) Daredevil is easily the BEST Daredevil released to date, Black Bolt may have Hasbro articulation and slap hands but he's on par with DCUC, Tigra's a bit scrawny and the hasbroticulation hurts her but other wise she's a nice looking female, and Nemesis is a nice figure as well, also this wave was sculpted and budgeted out before they got their game together.

 

Target Wave Spidey, why does he need the classic hand pose? the Symbiote Spidey didn't use webbing that way, least not when i've seen it, uses it the same way Venom does, with a fist lowered somewhat and the webs coming out from the back of the hand/wrist(true he doesn't come with a fist so it is kinda is a moot point but still)

 

As for articulation as a whole, if you take most HML and DCUC and count em they add up to about the same(HML's easily winning with the new 2 packs though) so thats also a moot point.

 

HML 2 packs on a whole are better then DCUC now.

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HML 2 packs on a whole are better then DCUC now.

 

 

You seriously made that statement? Please just stop and think abut that. Here let me help you out....Hasbro ML 2 packs are currently peg warming many aisles at Toys R Us. I don't think they are coming close to ANYTHING DC is putting out right now. The DCUC 2 packs have been, and will continue to be the HOTTEST & HARDEST to find products out there. Ask fans how many Batgirl, Lightray, and Abin Sur 2 packs were out there sitting on shelves. Also DCUC just put out a Walmart 5 pack. Does Hasbro have one of those? Didn't think so. You walk into any store Target, Walmart, Toysrus and look closely at the display of product. Here is what you will find: Pegs of MU sitting there 5-10 deep in 4 rows cause no one is buying this product. LOTS of Ironman product. 3 of the Skrull 2 packs, 3 of the Shield 2 packs, maybe 1 of the ironman packs. For DC you will see a 5 pack at Walmart along with left overs from Wave 6 since Walmart can't figure out how to order product, 2 different 2 packs at Toysrus, Product from wave 8 thru 10 on the shelves at Target. Were you also even aware that DCUC is realeasing a new wave of toys every 2.5 months? They are hitting wave 11 shortly and this line is barely a year old! It took Toybiz 4 years before they made it to wave 8 and Hasbro 3 before they eve made it to wave 3! DCUC is and is going to be a better product and seller than Marvel ever was because Mateel knows how to treat that property. Hasbro is to involved in trying to reuse and market any hot movie property. I don't blame them and their "machine" but let's be honest with the fact they don't have a clue how to manage Marvel Toys. Like you said, pretty much all of the Nemesis wave proves Hasbro doesn't give a crap about what we want or the quality of it or they would have tried harder to make it better.

 

Thanks for the words of encouragement Shokker :wink:

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If I could compare the current DCUC to ML, it would be the Green Scar fighting Wolverine in WWH X-men. If youre familiar with the few panels this happens Wolverine became brain dead from a handful of hits. DCUC is the Green Scar, ML is Wolverine. Unless Hasbro gets on Sentry status with thier effort into ML, DCUC is going to continue to murder them with better product that pleases DC fans. Since I don't have interest in DC I don't buy the figures, but I can admire good work when I see it. But looking at it from Mattels perspective thier 3.75 line isn't that great and MU is way out front. Maybe Hasbro doesn't want to compete but rather fill a market where there is little to no competition compared to MU. When you think about it Hasbro has the 3.75 inch market on lock down when you look in the action figure isle of any toy store. 6 inch isn't thier thing. What they are most likely thinking is "Lets make money, the easiest way possible" It looks good for them, but in the end 6 inch ML collectors, the older people get shafted. This is one of the cruel fates of business. But on the other hand MU isn't selling as well as DCUC, there are alot of peg warmers. Just like the Afgan war, Hasbro needs a change of strategy.

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Apparently you haven't seen or noticed what DC Universe is doing with 6" figures. Even some of the more obscure DC characters have made it into plastic form and have done well. It just goes to show what a little marketing, solid buy in from retailers, and the ever popular, LISTENING TO YOUR DAMN FAN BASE can do for a figure line. Lets face it, Marvel Legends isn't dead, Hasbro is just trying to kill it. To bad they are full of a bunch of idiots that just don't seem to "get it". Why couldn't Marvel have looked past competitive differences to get their product handled right by Mattel is beyond me.

 

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Oh, I see it alright. As a matter of fact I'm all about the DCUC right now. The 4 awesome waves, with C&C's, we've seen this year alone only depresses me more about the demise of ML. I'm a huge fan of Mattel's practice of using basically 4 or 5 molds (very good molds), vinyl parts and definitive paint jobs to create as many fan friendly waves as possible. For a company that, during the early stages of DCUC, insisted on having at least 1 Supes or Bats in every wave, they've certainly come around to the understanding that fans drive the industry. If a company like Mattel can make that change after decades of a Barbie-type marketing strategy, a diverse company like Hasbro should be able to do it as well. They already do it with MU, but will never translate it over to ML because focus at this point is to make maximum profits using as little material as possible. That's what it comes down to because they certainly have the capacity, but as long as they stay profittable doing what they are doing, they'll never have the motivation.

 

 

not even that. most DC collectors buy any figures that are DC related with no problem.(a,b,c,or d listers) when hasbro ventured out and started making anyother figures besides a&b listers...they warmed pegs. plus, marvel has more of a child following, than adult.(thats why sooo many marvel products have gimmicks, action features, etc...) DC is more of an adult following(outside of bats/supes) it wasnt until hasbro started starving collectors of MLs, that sells picked up. if youve noticed, the little bit of product being released sells better that flooding the pegs with stuff that stores cant give away. the 1st wave of 2packs went from 20.00 to 5.00. brood, blob, foom, rulk, and ares waves all seen the clearence isle. the way hasbro's playing it is a far better business move on their part.

 

 

If DCU was more of an adult line, you wouldn't find it in your more common toy aisles. It would be online just like the Masters of the Universe Figures are. I see McFarlane with his sports stuff in Toysrus but it just warms pegs and that is stuff for adults. The DCUC stuff hadn't been warming pegs even now with some exceptions of series 6 in some markets. With that being said, DCUC gives you better selection, listens to fans which Hasbro still has yet to do with the exception of one previous bad poll and the current ridiculous one. If Hasbro really wants to bring this line up, which they don't because sculpts, painting, and figure choices prove that, then they should hold an open poll with FILL IN spots for the top 3-5 characters fans would want. Then compile the data and produce figures based upon the top 5-20 characters from the polls. Chances are you would see figures again like Deadpoll but reality is you would also get figures like Classic Ultron, Gladiator, Enchantress, etc just to name a few. Also why not release the results of HOW MANY actually voted for the AoA crappy Sunfire. I am curious just to find out how many people actually wanted this item. It would give a decent idea of how many people are in the market for new ML figures. Until Hasbro wakes up, which is never I will stick to customizing to get what I want.

 

 

DCUC is a collector line. anything that is sold at retail has an anchor to attract younger comic goers to he line, but you really dont expect little timmy to give a damn about forager, robotman, gaurdian, mantis, gentleman ghost, etc.. hell, thats what hasbro has the problem with! they have the rights to a major line, and cant get kids to buy any of the figures outside of spidey, wolvey, hulk, and ironman. i heard people talking about how they see little kids buying legends, or dcu...bullsh*t! ive seen kids buying everything BUT figures from those lines! the motuc thing that mattel is doing has to deal with what theyre able to sell(or not sell) at retail. how many kids born after '87 give two sh*ts about he-man? motu has a good collector fan-base, but it has always sucked at retail(except in the begining) plus this is mattel's way of being sure that no money is wasted. samething that theyre doing with the ghostbusters, and dark knight movie figures. if you have any exclusives from dcu, look on the package...it says 4+. but if you look closer, somewhere on that same box its going to say...adult collector.

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Apparently you haven't seen or noticed what DC Universe is doing with 6" figures. Even some of the more obscure DC characters have made it into plastic form and have done well. It just goes to show what a little marketing, solid buy in from retailers, and the ever popular, LISTENING TO YOUR DAMN FAN BASE can do for a figure line. Lets face it, Marvel Legends isn't dead, Hasbro is just trying to kill it. To bad they are full of a bunch of idiots that just don't seem to "get it". Why couldn't Marvel have looked past competitive differences to get their product handled right by Mattel is beyond me.

 

Any questions?

 

Oh i know what DCUC is all about, shoddy QC, impossible to find figures, high prices, articulation on par/below that of even Hasbro MLs and I LIKE DCUC.

 

 

Please don't ever use excuses like prices of DC cuz ML Foom series was way outta line to start with and as far as availability goes, Hasbro has given us terrible product or did you already forget Nemesis wave? Hasbro can't paint or shade anything and their articulation is so shoddy you should be ashamed of even mentioning DCUC in the same category. Need another refresher? How bout Target series Black Spiderman. What kind of spidey can't freaking move his hands to shoot webs? Overall I would have to say DCUC has taken all of the stumbling blocks of Hasbro and perfected on their ideas from Toybiz concepts. The only complaint I have with them is I would prefer more hand variations. DCUC and Hasbro are in 2 different leagues, hasbro happens to be in the minors waiting to be called up to play.

ML Foom wave had a nice excuse, most of the figures were on the large scale(much larger then any normal ML/DCUC these days for sure, minus She Hulk anyway, and Sampson and Absorbing Man were about normal size if not a tad bigger) and the paint on a good bit of those figures were good as well, and Foom himself is bigger then any DCUC C&C except maybe Chemo.

 

Nemesis wave huh? yeah Beast is crap kinda(a wash would fix his looks but the artic is lame on the legs, swivel is needed more so then double knees) Nova is crap cause of the plastic colors and no sculpted detail, normal Punisher is bland(camo is great though) Daredevil is easily the BEST Daredevil released to date, Black Bolt may have Hasbro articulation and slap hands but he's on par with DCUC, Tigra's a bit scrawny and the hasbroticulation hurts her but other wise she's a nice looking female, and Nemesis is a nice figure as well, also this wave was sculpted and budgeted out before they got their game together.

 

Target Wave Spidey, why does he need the classic hand pose? the Symbiote Spidey didn't use webbing that way, least not when i've seen it, uses it the same way Venom does, with a fist lowered somewhat and the webs coming out from the back of the hand/wrist(true he doesn't come with a fist so it is kinda is a moot point but still)

 

As for articulation as a whole, if you take most HML and DCUC and count em they add up to about the same(HML's easily winning with the new 2 packs though) so thats also a moot point.

 

HML 2 packs on a whole are better then DCUC now.

 

 

you call that an excuse? an extra inch or so justifies adding 4 extra bucks? i dont mind paying 15 bucks for a fig, but im not going to let and extra inch in height be my reason for doing it. as far as your two pack statement...dont see it. as far as articulation goes...dcu aint the best, but hasbo aint either! if it wasnt for some of the old TB molds(which they use incorrectly imo) MLs would be totally crap! i dont perfer dcu over ml, i just perfer dc over marvel.

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Apparently you haven't seen or noticed what DC Universe is doing with 6" figures. Even some of the more obscure DC characters have made it into plastic form and have done well. It just goes to show what a little marketing, solid buy in from retailers, and the ever popular, LISTENING TO YOUR DAMN FAN BASE can do for a figure line. Lets face it, Marvel Legends isn't dead, Hasbro is just trying to kill it. To bad they are full of a bunch of idiots that just don't seem to "get it". Why couldn't Marvel have looked past competitive differences to get their product handled right by Mattel is beyond me.

 

Any questions?

 

Oh i know what DCUC is all about, shoddy QC, impossible to find figures, high prices, articulation on par/below that of even Hasbro MLs and I LIKE DCUC.

 

 

Please don't ever use excuses like prices of DC cuz ML Foom series was way outta line to start with and as far as availability goes, Hasbro has given us terrible product or did you already forget Nemesis wave? Hasbro can't paint or shade anything and their articulation is so shoddy you should be ashamed of even mentioning DCUC in the same category. Need another refresher? How bout Target series Black Spiderman. What kind of spidey can't freaking move his hands to shoot webs? Overall I would have to say DCUC has taken all of the stumbling blocks of Hasbro and perfected on their ideas from Toybiz concepts. The only complaint I have with them is I would prefer more hand variations. DCUC and Hasbro are in 2 different leagues, hasbro happens to be in the minors waiting to be called up to play.

ML Foom wave had a nice excuse, most of the figures were on the large scale(much larger then any normal ML/DCUC these days for sure, minus She Hulk anyway, and Sampson and Absorbing Man were about normal size if not a tad bigger) and the paint on a good bit of those figures were good as well, and Foom himself is bigger then any DCUC C&C except maybe Chemo.

 

Nemesis wave huh? yeah Beast is crap kinda(a wash would fix his looks but the artic is lame on the legs, swivel is needed more so then double knees) Nova is crap cause of the plastic colors and no sculpted detail, normal Punisher is bland(camo is great though) Daredevil is easily the BEST Daredevil released to date, Black Bolt may have Hasbro articulation and slap hands but he's on par with DCUC, Tigra's a bit scrawny and the hasbroticulation hurts her but other wise she's a nice looking female, and Nemesis is a nice figure as well, also this wave was sculpted and budgeted out before they got their game together.

 

Target Wave Spidey, why does he need the classic hand pose? the Symbiote Spidey didn't use webbing that way, least not when i've seen it, uses it the same way Venom does, with a fist lowered somewhat and the webs coming out from the back of the hand/wrist(true he doesn't come with a fist so it is kinda is a moot point but still)

 

As for articulation as a whole, if you take most HML and DCUC and count em they add up to about the same(HML's easily winning with the new 2 packs though) so thats also a moot point.

 

HML 2 packs on a whole are better then DCUC now.

 

 

you call that an excuse? an extra inch or so justifies adding 4 extra bucks? i dont mind paying 15 bucks for a fig, but im not going to let and extra inch in height be my reason for doing it. as far as your two pack statement...dont see it. as far as articulation goes...dcu aint the best, but hasbo aint either! if it wasnt for some of the old TB molds(which they use incorrectly imo) MLs would be totally crap! i dont perfer dcu over ml, i just perfer dc over marvel.

 

Extra inch or so in height, and much more mass overall = much more plastic, when oil and materials were sky high, how hard is this to understand? Whats DCUC's excuse though? cause wave 6 and 7 sell like hot cakes and places can't get rid of em? Is that why wave 9 is so under produced?

 

It's true hasbro reuses the havoc/marvel etc body a LOT and in most cases it works, but in wave 1 of the two packs they had Ult Cap and Fury, both with double knees and elbows, and Fury's coat and arms were completely new(the rest was as well kind of since Punisher hadn't been released yet) Ronin has double elbows and knees, that new Wolverine had double knees and elbows and only thing reused on him was the torso from Ult Wolverine, hell the only figures in wave 1 with single joints were Elektra's elbows and Thing(and even thing got a much nicer paint job)

 

Wave 2, lots of reuse but all fitting, and the only single joint is once again the female elbows, IM is a whole new mold with fantastic articulation.

 

(WM exclusive 2 packs are still crap though, sure the XMen movie ones have nice Cyke and Wolvy head sculpts but other then that more reuse, and the first WM exclusive packs only one they got right is Domino)

 

HML IS winning the articulation race now, you can try and deny it all you want but its true. And like i said even most of the lower amount of artic HMLs still have the same PoA as DCUC, they just work differently.

 

As for paint on a whole, DCUC has more, is that better though? its arguable, in some cases more paint would help Hasbro's sculpts but in others they don't need more paint.

 

And please, don't bring up reusing TB molds as a bad thing, other wise DCUC would be nothing but a lost cause since at least way more then half of the line is reuse.

 

DCUC is a great line, just seems like some DC fans are blinded by it cause they just now finally have a good line.

 

HML has a long list of failures, a lot of HML1/2/3 for example(3 was when they started to get the hang of the line though) but in the long run DCUC and HML are on equal footing or HML is in the lead by a hair.

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I'm a huge Marvel fan.

 

Right now, DCUC is kicking the crap out of ML. Nearly every fig is well done and they are producing tons of new figs. Meanwhile, we won't get more MLs till late 2010...maybe (that's when we find out what the next set of 2 packs may be) and only about half of the MLs produced are well done.

 

Articulation is great, but at some point you start getting diminishing returns. Most DCUC figs have plenty of articulation. Plus, they have superior hips (cause they don't use the ball joint)...I'm guessing this is why many people prefer DCUC sculpts to MLs.

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Apparently you haven't seen or noticed what DC Universe is doing with 6" figures. Even some of the more obscure DC characters have made it into plastic form and have done well. It just goes to show what a little marketing, solid buy in from retailers, and the ever popular, LISTENING TO YOUR DAMN FAN BASE can do for a figure line. Lets face it, Marvel Legends isn't dead, Hasbro is just trying to kill it. To bad they are full of a bunch of idiots that just don't seem to "get it". Why couldn't Marvel have looked past competitive differences to get their product handled right by Mattel is beyond me.

 

Any questions?

 

Oh i know what DCUC is all about, shoddy QC, impossible to find figures, high prices, articulation on par/below that of even Hasbro MLs and I LIKE DCUC.

 

 

Please don't ever use excuses like prices of DC cuz ML Foom series was way outta line to start with and as far as availability goes, Hasbro has given us terrible product or did you already forget Nemesis wave? Hasbro can't paint or shade anything and their articulation is so shoddy you should be ashamed of even mentioning DCUC in the same category. Need another refresher? How bout Target series Black Spiderman. What kind of spidey can't freaking move his hands to shoot webs? Overall I would have to say DCUC has taken all of the stumbling blocks of Hasbro and perfected on their ideas from Toybiz concepts. The only complaint I have with them is I would prefer more hand variations. DCUC and Hasbro are in 2 different leagues, hasbro happens to be in the minors waiting to be called up to play.

ML Foom wave had a nice excuse, most of the figures were on the large scale(much larger then any normal ML/DCUC these days for sure, minus She Hulk anyway, and Sampson and Absorbing Man were about normal size if not a tad bigger) and the paint on a good bit of those figures were good as well, and Foom himself is bigger then any DCUC C&C except maybe Chemo.

 

Nemesis wave huh? yeah Beast is crap kinda(a wash would fix his looks but the artic is lame on the legs, swivel is needed more so then double knees) Nova is crap cause of the plastic colors and no sculpted detail, normal Punisher is bland(camo is great though) Daredevil is easily the BEST Daredevil released to date, Black Bolt may have Hasbro articulation and slap hands but he's on par with DCUC, Tigra's a bit scrawny and the hasbroticulation hurts her but other wise she's a nice looking female, and Nemesis is a nice figure as well, also this wave was sculpted and budgeted out before they got their game together.

 

Target Wave Spidey, why does he need the classic hand pose? the Symbiote Spidey didn't use webbing that way, least not when i've seen it, uses it the same way Venom does, with a fist lowered somewhat and the webs coming out from the back of the hand/wrist(true he doesn't come with a fist so it is kinda is a moot point but still)

 

As for articulation as a whole, if you take most HML and DCUC and count em they add up to about the same(HML's easily winning with the new 2 packs though) so thats also a moot point.

 

HML 2 packs on a whole are better then DCUC now.

 

 

you call that an excuse? an extra inch or so justifies adding 4 extra bucks? i dont mind paying 15 bucks for a fig, but im not going to let and extra inch in height be my reason for doing it. as far as your two pack statement...dont see it. as far as articulation goes...dcu aint the best, but hasbo aint either! if it wasnt for some of the old TB molds(which they use incorrectly imo) MLs would be totally crap! i dont perfer dcu over ml, i just perfer dc over marvel.

 

Extra inch or so in height, and much more mass overall = much more plastic, when oil and materials were sky high, how hard is this to understand? Whats DCUC's excuse though? cause wave 6 and 7 sell like hot cakes and places can't get rid of em? Is that why wave 9 is so under produced?

 

It's true hasbro reuses the havoc/marvel etc body a LOT and in most cases it works, but in wave 1 of the two packs they had Ult Cap and Fury, both with double knees and elbows, and Fury's coat and arms were completely new(the rest was as well kind of since Punisher hadn't been released yet) Ronin has double elbows and knees, that new Wolverine had double knees and elbows and only thing reused on him was the torso from Ult Wolverine, hell the only figures in wave 1 with single joints were Elektra's elbows and Thing(and even thing got a much nicer paint job)

 

Wave 2, lots of reuse but all fitting, and the only single joint is once again the female elbows, IM is a whole new mold with fantastic articulation.

 

(WM exclusive 2 packs are still crap though, sure the XMen movie ones have nice Cyke and Wolvy head sculpts but other then that more reuse, and the first WM exclusive packs only one they got right is Domino)

 

HML IS winning the articulation race now, you can try and deny it all you want but its true. And like i said even most of the lower amount of artic HMLs still have the same PoA as DCUC, they just work differently.

 

As for paint on a whole, DCUC has more, is that better though? its arguable, in some cases more paint would help Hasbro's sculpts but in others they don't need more paint.

 

And please, don't bring up reusing TB molds as a bad thing, other wise DCUC would be nothing but a lost cause since at least way more then half of the line is reuse.

 

DCUC is a great line, just seems like some DC fans are blinded by it cause they just now finally have a good line.

 

HML has a long list of failures, a lot of HML1/2/3 for example(3 was when they started to get the hang of the line though) but in the long run DCUC and HML are on equal footing or HML is in the lead by a hair.

 

whats dcu's excuse for what? dcu figs have always been 13 bucks. hell...EVERYTHINGS AT LEAST 13 BUCKS! i just see a lot of marvel goers holding on to that sad a** excuse that hasbro had for upping the price on MLs like a security blanket. why is wave 9 so hard to find? ill answer that when you tell me why ML 6, 7, and 8 were so hard to find.(sh*t happens my brotha) you can fool yourself into believing that hasbro's MLs are ahead of mattel's DCUs if you want, and its your right, but a hml only stands a chance with an old TB body. crazy thing is this: a line that has 10 waves, 2 con exclusives, 6 two packs, and a cartoon line(public enimies) all using the same body molds, is showing no sign of "falling off" , and you somehow figure that theyre loosing the race? actually...why are we even debating this? whats the real topic of this thread? seeems that weve just jacked this thread, huh?(lol)

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I actually prefer ball hips, over all they just look and work better then the t crotch with the out to side articulation, probably why TB stopped using such articulation after trying it on figures like ML4 Punisher/Beast/Elektra, they knew which was better.

 

That was TB's strength, trying stuff and then figuring out which worked and which failed, i gotta give em that.

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I actually prefer ball hips, over all they just look and work better then the t crotch with the out to side articulation, probably why TB stopped using such articulation after trying it on figures like ML4 Punisher/Beast/Elektra, they knew which was better.

 

That was TB's strength, trying stuff and then figuring out which worked and which failed, i gotta give em that.

 

Dude, the Electra mold doesn't use exactly the same hip articulation. IIRC (w/o looking) the crotch joints are V shaped and it makes her...erm...assets look odd while at the same time making it hard to stand, move, etc. They may have a tried a similar articulation, but they failed miserably at it.

 

I mean, if it's such a problem how did Mattel get it to work so much better?

 

The half ball joints Hasbro used on some of their newer females are actually preferable to straight out ball joints tho.

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I actually prefer ball hips, over all they just look and work better then the t crotch with the out to side articulation, probably why TB stopped using such articulation after trying it on figures like ML4 Punisher/Beast/Elektra, they knew which was better.

 

That was TB's strength, trying stuff and then figuring out which worked and which failed, i gotta give em that.

 

Dude, the Electra mold doesn't use exactly the same hip articulation. IIRC (w/o looking) the crotch joints are V shaped and it makes her...erm...assets look odd while at the same time making it hard to stand, move, etc. They may have a tried a similar articulation, but they failed miserably at it.

 

I mean, if it's such a problem how did Mattel get it to work so much better?

 

The half ball joints Hasbro used on some of their newer females are actually preferable to straight out ball joints tho.

 

Yeah, i know she's really a v crotch instead of a t, but its still close, and the mattel hips still don't work so much better, i'd say the best hips that aren't ball joints would be the ones on like TB Nick Fury and ML3 Wolverine, similar but look/work better then the t crotch mattel/neca currently uses*cough* Nemesis wave Beast/Foom wave Sampson needed those *cough*

 

Still, ya gotta admit the mattel/neca style looks bad when posed in any meaningful poses.

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I actually prefer ball hips, over all they just look and work better then the t crotch with the out to side articulation, probably why TB stopped using such articulation after trying it on figures like ML4 Punisher/Beast/Elektra, they knew which was better.

 

That was TB's strength, trying stuff and then figuring out which worked and which failed, i gotta give em that.

 

Dude, the Electra mold doesn't use exactly the same hip articulation. IIRC (w/o looking) the crotch joints are V shaped and it makes her...erm...assets look odd while at the same time making it hard to stand, move, etc. They may have a tried a similar articulation, but they failed miserably at it.

 

I mean, if it's such a problem how did Mattel get it to work so much better?

 

The half ball joints Hasbro used on some of their newer females are actually preferable to straight out ball joints tho.

 

Yeah, i know she's really a v crotch instead of a t, but its still close, and the mattel hips still don't work so much better, i'd say the best hips that aren't ball joints would be the ones on like TB Nick Fury and ML3 Wolverine, similar but look/work better then the t crotch mattel/neca currently uses*cough* Nemesis wave Beast/Foom wave Sampson needed those *cough*

 

Still, ya gotta admit the mattel/neca style looks bad when posed in any meaningful poses.

 

Neca is different than DCUC.

 

Check out the DC action photos thread on toynewsi.com some time to see how great you can pose the figs.

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Apparently you haven't seen or noticed what DC Universe is doing with 6" figures. Even some of the more obscure DC characters have made it into plastic form and have done well. It just goes to show what a little marketing, solid buy in from retailers, and the ever popular, LISTENING TO YOUR DAMN FAN BASE can do for a figure line. Lets face it, Marvel Legends isn't dead, Hasbro is just trying to kill it. To bad they are full of a bunch of idiots that just don't seem to "get it". Why couldn't Marvel have looked past competitive differences to get their product handled right by Mattel is beyond me.

 

Any questions?

 

Oh, I see it alright. As a matter of fact I'm all about the DCUC right now. The 4 awesome waves, with C&C's, we've seen this year alone only depresses me more about the demise of ML. I'm a huge fan of Mattel's practice of using basically 4 or 5 molds (very good molds), vinyl parts and definitive paint jobs to create as many fan friendly waves as possible. For a company that, during the early stages of DCUC, insisted on having at least 1 Supes or Bats in every wave, they've certainly come around to the understanding that fans drive the industry. If a company like Mattel can make that change after decades of a Barbie-type marketing strategy, a diverse company like Hasbro should be able to do it as well. They already do it with MU, but will never translate it over to ML because focus at this point is to make maximum profits using as little material as possible. That's what it comes down to because they certainly have the capacity, but as long as they stay profittable doing what they are doing, they'll never have the motivation.

 

 

not even that. most DC collectors buy any figures that are DC related with no problem.(a,b,c,or d listers) when hasbro ventured out and started making anyother figures besides a&b listers...they warmed pegs. plus, marvel has more of a child following, than adult.(thats why sooo many marvel products have gimmicks, action features, etc...) DC is more of an adult following(outside of bats/supes) it wasnt until hasbro started starving collectors of MLs, that sells picked up. if youve noticed, the little bit of product being released sells better that flooding the pegs with stuff that stores cant give away. the 1st wave of 2packs went from 20.00 to 5.00. brood, blob, foom, rulk, and ares waves all seen the clearence isle. the way hasbro's playing it is a far better business move on their part.

 

Not even sure that's exactly the case. I just think Mattel is controlling the production a lot better than Hasbro did (or does). I love DCUC but I can actually do without some of em. I basically buy em all to complete the C&C, which have all been awesome to this point, even Gorilla Grod with his like 2 point of articulation, but he is more of a lover than a fighter anyway.

 

When ML included more obscure figures I think they sold pretty well as a whole but once the restocks came in they were easier to find and I think the reasons some of them warmed the pegs were more quality based (ie. Bucky, Quicksilver, Gambit, etc). One the other side, a lot of the obscures did very well too (ie. Spiral, Marvel Girl, Crossbones, Kang, etc).

 

Point in case, I've only caught glimpse of DCUC Giganta Wave and no part of Chemo Wave in the WM's in my area because they won't restock until they can unload the Atom Smasher wave that're rotting on the shelves now (literally). Even the variants and females are sitting there unmoved in the one closest to my house. I keep waiting for them to go on sale but I get the impression there's probably even more cases in the back. I got my entire Giganta Wave at TRU and the Chemo Wave, except for Deadshot, from Target. The entire time I've collected DCUC that one wave is the only time I've seen Mattel overproduce in a manner similar to the way ML was. It may be different in your area, I don't know.

 

Another point worth making is the fact that most everything in DCUC comes from basically one timeline. ML pulls from way too many different realities (ultimate, movies, reborn, etc). I swear, if I see another freakin AoA fig my head will explode. Some people will point out that Marvel Girl, Cable and Bishop are all from different timelines, but that's not what I mean. ML needs to stick with the current relevant mainstream continuity. Then you have the "Classic" look gimmick. When DCUC does it, the classic version (or modern version in some cases) are usually just a variant within the same wave. ML does it across seperate lines such as Hulk in wave 1, then 1st Hulk in wave nine. Then you get the Marvel flagship characters that have way too many costume changes (black spidey, classic spidey, iron spidey, IM's 100's of armors, brown wolvie, yellow wolvie, x-uniform wolvie, on and on and on). There are basically only 2 DCUC characters that see that kind of repetition, Supes and Bats, but even at that I have yet to see an alternate timeline or movie based fig of either one. Marvels dynamics are part of what ruined ML.

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Apparently you haven't seen or noticed what DC Universe is doing with 6" figures. Even some of the more obscure DC characters have made it into plastic form and have done well. It just goes to show what a little marketing, solid buy in from retailers, and the ever popular, LISTENING TO YOUR DAMN FAN BASE can do for a figure line. Lets face it, Marvel Legends isn't dead, Hasbro is just trying to kill it. To bad they are full of a bunch of idiots that just don't seem to "get it". Why couldn't Marvel have looked past competitive differences to get their product handled right by Mattel is beyond me.

 

Any questions?

 

Oh, I see it alright. As a matter of fact I'm all about the DCUC right now. The 4 awesome waves, with C&C's, we've seen this year alone only depresses me more about the demise of ML. I'm a huge fan of Mattel's practice of using basically 4 or 5 molds (very good molds), vinyl parts and definitive paint jobs to create as many fan friendly waves as possible. For a company that, during the early stages of DCUC, insisted on having at least 1 Supes or Bats in every wave, they've certainly come around to the understanding that fans drive the industry. If a company like Mattel can make that change after decades of a Barbie-type marketing strategy, a diverse company like Hasbro should be able to do it as well. They already do it with MU, but will never translate it over to ML because focus at this point is to make maximum profits using as little material as possible. That's what it comes down to because they certainly have the capacity, but as long as they stay profittable doing what they are doing, they'll never have the motivation.

 

 

not even that. most DC collectors buy any figures that are DC related with no problem.(a,b,c,or d listers) when hasbro ventured out and started making anyother figures besides a&b listers...they warmed pegs. plus, marvel has more of a child following, than adult.(thats why sooo many marvel products have gimmicks, action features, etc...) DC is more of an adult following(outside of bats/supes) it wasnt until hasbro started starving collectors of MLs, that sells picked up. if youve noticed, the little bit of product being released sells better that flooding the pegs with stuff that stores cant give away. the 1st wave of 2packs went from 20.00 to 5.00. brood, blob, foom, rulk, and ares waves all seen the clearence isle. the way hasbro's playing it is a far better business move on their part.

 

Not even sure that's exactly the case. I just think Mattel is controlling the production a lot better than Hasbro did (or does). I love DCUC but I can actually do without some of em. I basically buy em all to complete the C&C, which have all been awesome to this point, even Gorilla Grod with his like 2 point of articulation, but he is more of a lover than a fighter anyway.

 

When ML included more obscure figures I think they sold pretty well as a whole but once the restocks came in they were easier to find and I think the reasons some of them warmed the pegs were more quality based (ie. Bucky, Quicksilver, Gambit, etc). One the other side, a lot of the obscures did very well too (ie. Spiral, Marvel Girl, Crossbones, Kang, etc).

 

Point in case, I've only caught glimpse of DCUC Giganta Wave and no part of Chemo Wave in the WM's in my area because they won't restock until they can unload the Atom Smasher wave that're rotting on the shelves now (literally). Even the variants and females are sitting there unmoved in the one closest to my house. I keep waiting for them to go on sale but I get the impression there's probably even more cases in the back. I got my entire Giganta Wave at TRU and the Chemo Wave, except for Deadshot, from Target. The entire time I've collected DCUC that one wave is the only time I've seen Mattel overproduce in a manner similar to the way ML was. It may be different in your area, I don't know.

 

Another point worth making is the fact that most everything in DCUC comes from basically one timeline. ML pulls from way too many different realities (ultimate, movies, reborn, etc). I swear, if I see another freakin AoA fig my head will explode. Some people will point out that Marvel Girl, Cable and Bishop are all from different timelines, but that's not what I mean. ML needs to stick with the current relevant mainstream continuity. Then you have the "Classic" look gimmick. When DCUC does it, the classic version (or modern version in some cases) are usually just a variant within the same wave. ML does it across seperate lines such as Hulk in wave 1, then 1st Hulk in wave nine. Then you get the Marvel flagship characters that have way too many costume changes (black spidey, classic spidey, iron spidey, IM's 100's of armors, brown wolvie, yellow wolvie, x-uniform wolvie, on and on and on). There are basically only 2 DCUC characters that see that kind of repetition, Supes and Bats, but even at that I have yet to see an alternate timeline or movie based fig of either one. Marvels dynamics are part of what ruined ML.

 

 

you also have to understand that bouncing around between a bunch of time lines was the reason why it took 3-5 years to complete 1/4 of a ML team. plus, thats just an excuse to keep rehashing the same anchor characters. hense the 15 wolveys, hulks, ironmen, etc.. as far as movie characters go....why? mattel has a movie masters line for that. but its not like movie characters in ML lines were accepted either. at least mattel doesnt make a key character a variant. ....or a HTF figure. plus, it took marvel how many years before they started that "time line" thing? they dabbled in some ultimates, stuck a toe in AoA, and then what? you want them to make story based figs? not going to happen. i can hear the matty team "hey, lets make batman and son, batman the long holloween, batman the brave and the bold, batman hush and gotham knight figures"....bad idea! unless theres a drastic change in the character's costume, its a waste of space with ANY line.

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I actually prefer ball hips, over all they just look and work better then the t crotch with the out to side articulation, probably why TB stopped using such articulation after trying it on figures like ML4 Punisher/Beast/Elektra, they knew which was better.

 

That was TB's strength, trying stuff and then figuring out which worked and which failed, i gotta give em that.

 

Dude, the Electra mold doesn't use exactly the same hip articulation. IIRC (w/o looking) the crotch joints are V shaped and it makes her...erm...assets look odd while at the same time making it hard to stand, move, etc. They may have a tried a similar articulation, but they failed miserably at it.

 

I mean, if it's such a problem how did Mattel get it to work so much better?

 

The half ball joints Hasbro used on some of their newer females are actually preferable to straight out ball joints tho.

 

Yeah, i know she's really a v crotch instead of a t, but its still close, and the mattel hips still don't work so much better, i'd say the best hips that aren't ball joints would be the ones on like TB Nick Fury and ML3 Wolverine, similar but look/work better then the t crotch mattel/neca currently uses*cough* Nemesis wave Beast/Foom wave Sampson needed those *cough*

 

Still, ya gotta admit the mattel/neca style looks bad when posed in any meaningful poses.

 

Neca is different than DCUC.

 

Check out the DC action photos thread on toynewsi.com some time to see how great you can pose the figs.

 

 

plus, a lot of MLs look funny if you stand them up straight!...soooo, whats the point? no matter what anyone says...ball joints are hiddious!(in the hip area)

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Apparently you haven't seen or noticed what DC Universe is doing with 6" figures. Even some of the more obscure DC characters have made it into plastic form and have done well. It just goes to show what a little marketing, solid buy in from retailers, and the ever popular, LISTENING TO YOUR DAMN FAN BASE can do for a figure line. Lets face it, Marvel Legends isn't dead, Hasbro is just trying to kill it. To bad they are full of a bunch of idiots that just don't seem to "get it". Why couldn't Marvel have looked past competitive differences to get their product handled right by Mattel is beyond me.

 

Any questions?

 

Oh i know what DCUC is all about, shoddy QC, impossible to find figures, high prices, articulation on par/below that of even Hasbro MLs and I LIKE DCUC.

 

 

Please don't ever use excuses like prices of DC cuz ML Foom series was way outta line to start with and as far as availability goes, Hasbro has given us terrible product or did you already forget Nemesis wave? Hasbro can't paint or shade anything and their articulation is so shoddy you should be ashamed of even mentioning DCUC in the same category. Need another refresher? How bout Target series Black Spiderman. What kind of spidey can't freaking move his hands to shoot webs? Overall I would have to say DCUC has taken all of the stumbling blocks of Hasbro and perfected on their ideas from Toybiz concepts. The only complaint I have with them is I would prefer more hand variations. DCUC and Hasbro are in 2 different leagues, hasbro happens to be in the minors waiting to be called up to play.

ML Foom wave had a nice excuse, most of the figures were on the large scale(much larger then any normal ML/DCUC these days for sure, minus She Hulk anyway, and Sampson and Absorbing Man were about normal size if not a tad bigger) and the paint on a good bit of those figures were good as well, and Foom himself is bigger then any DCUC C&C except maybe Chemo.

 

Nemesis wave huh? yeah Beast is crap kinda(a wash would fix his looks but the artic is lame on the legs, swivel is needed more so then double knees) Nova is crap cause of the plastic colors and no sculpted detail, normal Punisher is bland(camo is great though) Daredevil is easily the BEST Daredevil released to date, Black Bolt may have Hasbro articulation and slap hands but he's on par with DCUC, Tigra's a bit scrawny and the hasbroticulation hurts her but other wise she's a nice looking female, and Nemesis is a nice figure as well, also this wave was sculpted and budgeted out before they got their game together.

 

Target Wave Spidey, why does he need the classic hand pose? the Symbiote Spidey didn't use webbing that way, least not when i've seen it, uses it the same way Venom does, with a fist lowered somewhat and the webs coming out from the back of the hand/wrist(true he doesn't come with a fist so it is kinda is a moot point but still)

 

As for articulation as a whole, if you take most HML and DCUC and count em they add up to about the same(HML's easily winning with the new 2 packs though) so thats also a moot point.

 

HML 2 packs on a whole are better then DCUC now.

 

 

you call that an excuse? an extra inch or so justifies adding 4 extra bucks? i dont mind paying 15 bucks for a fig, but im not going to let and extra inch in height be my reason for doing it. as far as your two pack statement...dont see it. as far as articulation goes...dcu aint the best, but hasbo aint either! if it wasnt for some of the old TB molds(which they use incorrectly imo) MLs would be totally crap! i dont perfer dcu over ml, i just perfer dc over marvel.

 

Extra inch or so in height, and much more mass overall = much more plastic, when oil and materials were sky high, how hard is this to understand? Whats DCUC's excuse though? cause wave 6 and 7 sell like hot cakes and places can't get rid of em? Is that why wave 9 is so under produced?

 

It's true hasbro reuses the havoc/marvel etc body a LOT and in most cases it works, but in wave 1 of the two packs they had Ult Cap and Fury, both with double knees and elbows, and Fury's coat and arms were completely new(the rest was as well kind of since Punisher hadn't been released yet) Ronin has double elbows and knees, that new Wolverine had double knees and elbows and only thing reused on him was the torso from Ult Wolverine, hell the only figures in wave 1 with single joints were Elektra's elbows and Thing(and even thing got a much nicer paint job)

 

Wave 2, lots of reuse but all fitting, and the only single joint is once again the female elbows, IM is a whole new mold with fantastic articulation.

 

(WM exclusive 2 packs are still crap though, sure the XMen movie ones have nice Cyke and Wolvy head sculpts but other then that more reuse, and the first WM exclusive packs only one they got right is Domino)

 

HML IS winning the articulation race now, you can try and deny it all you want but its true. And like i said even most of the lower amount of artic HMLs still have the same PoA as DCUC, they just work differently.

 

As for paint on a whole, DCUC has more, is that better though? its arguable, in some cases more paint would help Hasbro's sculpts but in others they don't need more paint.

 

And please, don't bring up reusing TB molds as a bad thing, other wise DCUC would be nothing but a lost cause since at least way more then half of the line is reuse.

 

DCUC is a great line, just seems like some DC fans are blinded by it cause they just now finally have a good line.

 

HML has a long list of failures, a lot of HML1/2/3 for example(3 was when they started to get the hang of the line though) but in the long run DCUC and HML are on equal footing or HML is in the lead by a hair.

 

whats dcu's excuse for what? dcu figs have always been 13 bucks. hell...EVERYTHINGS AT LEAST 13 BUCKS! i just see a lot of marvel goers holding on to that sad a** excuse that hasbro had for upping the price on MLs like a security blanket. why is wave 9 so hard to find? ill answer that when you tell me why ML 6, 7, and 8 were so hard to find.(sh*t happens my brotha) you can fool yourself into believing that hasbro's MLs are ahead of mattel's DCUs if you want, and its your right, but a hml only stands a chance with an old TB body. crazy thing is this: a line that has 10 waves, 2 con exclusives, 6 two packs, and a cartoon line(public enimies) all using the same body molds, is showing no sign of "falling off" , and you somehow figure that theyre loosing the race? actually...why are we even debating this? whats the real topic of this thread? seeems that weve just jacked this thread, huh?(lol)

 

Yeah DCUC is the new ML, its coming up. But I think as a whole ML is still more popular.

Just go on ebay and the market for ML is about 5,000 items for sale. DCUC is about 2,000 items, so ML is still better Because of Marvels Fan Base. But DCUC is doing good for themselves.

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I actually prefer ball hips, over all they just look and work better then the t crotch with the out to side articulation, probably why TB stopped using such articulation after trying it on figures like ML4 Punisher/Beast/Elektra, they knew which was better.

 

That was TB's strength, trying stuff and then figuring out which worked and which failed, i gotta give em that.

 

Dude, the Electra mold doesn't use exactly the same hip articulation. IIRC (w/o looking) the crotch joints are V shaped and it makes her...erm...assets look odd while at the same time making it hard to stand, move, etc. They may have a tried a similar articulation, but they failed miserably at it.

 

I mean, if it's such a problem how did Mattel get it to work so much better?

 

The half ball joints Hasbro used on some of their newer females are actually preferable to straight out ball joints tho.

 

Yeah, i know she's really a v crotch instead of a t, but its still close, and the mattel hips still don't work so much better, i'd say the best hips that aren't ball joints would be the ones on like TB Nick Fury and ML3 Wolverine, similar but look/work better then the t crotch mattel/neca currently uses*cough* Nemesis wave Beast/Foom wave Sampson needed those *cough*

 

Still, ya gotta admit the mattel/neca style looks bad when posed in any meaningful poses.

 

Neca is different than DCUC.

 

Check out the DC action photos thread on toynewsi.com some time to see how great you can pose the figs.

 

 

plus, a lot of MLs look funny if you stand them up straight!...soooo, whats the point? no matter what anyone says...ball joints are hiddious!(in the hip area)

 

Yeah, even if you think DCUC hip joints are terrible when put in an action pose, the ball joints look terrible ALL THE TIME.

 

(ok, not terrible, but they don't look natural)

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Apparently you haven't seen or noticed what DC Universe is doing with 6" figures. Even some of the more obscure DC characters have made it into plastic form and have done well. It just goes to show what a little marketing, solid buy in from retailers, and the ever popular, LISTENING TO YOUR DAMN FAN BASE can do for a figure line. Lets face it, Marvel Legends isn't dead, Hasbro is just trying to kill it. To bad they are full of a bunch of idiots that just don't seem to "get it". Why couldn't Marvel have looked past competitive differences to get their product handled right by Mattel is beyond me.

 

Any questions?

 

Oh i know what DCUC is all about, shoddy QC, impossible to find figures, high prices, articulation on par/below that of even Hasbro MLs and I LIKE DCUC.

 

 

Please don't ever use excuses like prices of DC cuz ML Foom series was way outta line to start with and as far as availability goes, Hasbro has given us terrible product or did you already forget Nemesis wave? Hasbro can't paint or shade anything and their articulation is so shoddy you should be ashamed of even mentioning DCUC in the same category. Need another refresher? How bout Target series Black Spiderman. What kind of spidey can't freaking move his hands to shoot webs? Overall I would have to say DCUC has taken all of the stumbling blocks of Hasbro and perfected on their ideas from Toybiz concepts. The only complaint I have with them is I would prefer more hand variations. DCUC and Hasbro are in 2 different leagues, hasbro happens to be in the minors waiting to be called up to play.

ML Foom wave had a nice excuse, most of the figures were on the large scale(much larger then any normal ML/DCUC these days for sure, minus She Hulk anyway, and Sampson and Absorbing Man were about normal size if not a tad bigger) and the paint on a good bit of those figures were good as well, and Foom himself is bigger then any DCUC C&C except maybe Chemo.

 

Nemesis wave huh? yeah Beast is crap kinda(a wash would fix his looks but the artic is lame on the legs, swivel is needed more so then double knees) Nova is crap cause of the plastic colors and no sculpted detail, normal Punisher is bland(camo is great though) Daredevil is easily the BEST Daredevil released to date, Black Bolt may have Hasbro articulation and slap hands but he's on par with DCUC, Tigra's a bit scrawny and the hasbroticulation hurts her but other wise she's a nice looking female, and Nemesis is a nice figure as well, also this wave was sculpted and budgeted out before they got their game together.

 

Target Wave Spidey, why does he need the classic hand pose? the Symbiote Spidey didn't use webbing that way, least not when i've seen it, uses it the same way Venom does, with a fist lowered somewhat and the webs coming out from the back of the hand/wrist(true he doesn't come with a fist so it is kinda is a moot point but still)

 

As for articulation as a whole, if you take most HML and DCUC and count em they add up to about the same(HML's easily winning with the new 2 packs though) so thats also a moot point.

 

HML 2 packs on a whole are better then DCUC now.

 

 

you call that an excuse? an extra inch or so justifies adding 4 extra bucks? i dont mind paying 15 bucks for a fig, but im not going to let and extra inch in height be my reason for doing it. as far as your two pack statement...dont see it. as far as articulation goes...dcu aint the best, but hasbo aint either! if it wasnt for some of the old TB molds(which they use incorrectly imo) MLs would be totally crap! i dont perfer dcu over ml, i just perfer dc over marvel.

 

Extra inch or so in height, and much more mass overall = much more plastic, when oil and materials were sky high, how hard is this to understand? Whats DCUC's excuse though? cause wave 6 and 7 sell like hot cakes and places can't get rid of em? Is that why wave 9 is so under produced?

 

It's true hasbro reuses the havoc/marvel etc body a LOT and in most cases it works, but in wave 1 of the two packs they had Ult Cap and Fury, both with double knees and elbows, and Fury's coat and arms were completely new(the rest was as well kind of since Punisher hadn't been released yet) Ronin has double elbows and knees, that new Wolverine had double knees and elbows and only thing reused on him was the torso from Ult Wolverine, hell the only figures in wave 1 with single joints were Elektra's elbows and Thing(and even thing got a much nicer paint job)

 

Wave 2, lots of reuse but all fitting, and the only single joint is once again the female elbows, IM is a whole new mold with fantastic articulation.

 

(WM exclusive 2 packs are still crap though, sure the XMen movie ones have nice Cyke and Wolvy head sculpts but other then that more reuse, and the first WM exclusive packs only one they got right is Domino)

 

HML IS winning the articulation race now, you can try and deny it all you want but its true. And like i said even most of the lower amount of artic HMLs still have the same PoA as DCUC, they just work differently.

 

As for paint on a whole, DCUC has more, is that better though? its arguable, in some cases more paint would help Hasbro's sculpts but in others they don't need more paint.

 

And please, don't bring up reusing TB molds as a bad thing, other wise DCUC would be nothing but a lost cause since at least way more then half of the line is reuse.

 

DCUC is a great line, just seems like some DC fans are blinded by it cause they just now finally have a good line.

 

HML has a long list of failures, a lot of HML1/2/3 for example(3 was when they started to get the hang of the line though) but in the long run DCUC and HML are on equal footing or HML is in the lead by a hair.

 

whats dcu's excuse for what? dcu figs have always been 13 bucks. hell...EVERYTHINGS AT LEAST 13 BUCKS! i just see a lot of marvel goers holding on to that sad a** excuse that hasbro had for upping the price on MLs like a security blanket. why is wave 9 so hard to find? ill answer that when you tell me why ML 6, 7, and 8 were so hard to find.(sh*t happens my brotha) you can fool yourself into believing that hasbro's MLs are ahead of mattel's DCUs if you want, and its your right, but a hml only stands a chance with an old TB body. crazy thing is this: a line that has 10 waves, 2 con exclusives, 6 two packs, and a cartoon line(public enimies) all using the same body molds, is showing no sign of "falling off" , and you somehow figure that theyre loosing the race? actually...why are we even debating this? whats the real topic of this thread? seeems that weve just jacked this thread, huh?(lol)

 

Yeah DCUC is the new ML, its coming up. But I think as a whole ML is still more popular.

Just go on ebay and the market for ML is about 5,000 items for sale. DCUC is about 2,000 items, so ML is still better Because of Marvels Fan Base. But DCUC is doing good for themselves.

 

 

well, thats not surprising seeing that marvel has more figs anyway. wait? did you say since marvel's fan base is bigger, that makes MLs better?...( :wacko: i think that i need to sit..) if you look at most people's trade/sell list on any board, you'll find a sh*t load of MLs for sell. the fact is, a lot of people jut like action figures...period. of course you have the die hards out there, but alot of people collect out of impulse wants. i'll use myself as an example. most people figure me to be a DC "die hard", or to better put it, a batman fanboy. the fact is...i just like figures! dont get me wrong, as a character....im batman all the way! but im not going to buy, or make excuses for any of the of the B.S. story lines, or product thats out there. i like marvel. i like comics. thats why i was heavy into marvel legends!(plus they were articulated) but over half of the characters that were released i only bought out of boredom, to get a BaF, or because there was nothing else out there.(basicly boredom) thats the same with DCUC. i dont like every character that mattel choses to make, its just the fact that for once, i can actually build at least 88% of a group. weather it be the teen titans, or the freakin c listers like the metal men, i still have the option. but im not committed to DCU figures only. a lot of marvel fans act as if they cant be honest about a good action figure. maybe some of the stuff that is said about DCU figs is really how they feel, but a lot of people are just haters. if you go to both boards, read some of the post. marvel collectors compare MLs to DCUs a lot more than DC collectors compare DCUs to MLs....why is that?

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Apparently you haven't seen or noticed what DC Universe is doing with 6" figures. Even some of the more obscure DC characters have made it into plastic form and have done well. It just goes to show what a little marketing, solid buy in from retailers, and the ever popular, LISTENING TO YOUR DAMN FAN BASE can do for a figure line. Lets face it, Marvel Legends isn't dead, Hasbro is just trying to kill it. To bad they are full of a bunch of idiots that just don't seem to "get it". Why couldn't Marvel have looked past competitive differences to get their product handled right by Mattel is beyond me.

 

Any questions?

 

Oh i know what DCUC is all about, shoddy QC, impossible to find figures, high prices, articulation on par/below that of even Hasbro MLs and I LIKE DCUC.

 

 

Please don't ever use excuses like prices of DC cuz ML Foom series was way outta line to start with and as far as availability goes, Hasbro has given us terrible product or did you already forget Nemesis wave? Hasbro can't paint or shade anything and their articulation is so shoddy you should be ashamed of even mentioning DCUC in the same category. Need another refresher? How bout Target series Black Spiderman. What kind of spidey can't freaking move his hands to shoot webs? Overall I would have to say DCUC has taken all of the stumbling blocks of Hasbro and perfected on their ideas from Toybiz concepts. The only complaint I have with them is I would prefer more hand variations. DCUC and Hasbro are in 2 different leagues, hasbro happens to be in the minors waiting to be called up to play.

ML Foom wave had a nice excuse, most of the figures were on the large scale(much larger then any normal ML/DCUC these days for sure, minus She Hulk anyway, and Sampson and Absorbing Man were about normal size if not a tad bigger) and the paint on a good bit of those figures were good as well, and Foom himself is bigger then any DCUC C&C except maybe Chemo.

 

Nemesis wave huh? yeah Beast is crap kinda(a wash would fix his looks but the artic is lame on the legs, swivel is needed more so then double knees) Nova is crap cause of the plastic colors and no sculpted detail, normal Punisher is bland(camo is great though) Daredevil is easily the BEST Daredevil released to date, Black Bolt may have Hasbro articulation and slap hands but he's on par with DCUC, Tigra's a bit scrawny and the hasbroticulation hurts her but other wise she's a nice looking female, and Nemesis is a nice figure as well, also this wave was sculpted and budgeted out before they got their game together.

 

Target Wave Spidey, why does he need the classic hand pose? the Symbiote Spidey didn't use webbing that way, least not when i've seen it, uses it the same way Venom does, with a fist lowered somewhat and the webs coming out from the back of the hand/wrist(true he doesn't come with a fist so it is kinda is a moot point but still)

 

As for articulation as a whole, if you take most HML and DCUC and count em they add up to about the same(HML's easily winning with the new 2 packs though) so thats also a moot point.

 

HML 2 packs on a whole are better then DCUC now.

 

 

you call that an excuse? an extra inch or so justifies adding 4 extra bucks? i dont mind paying 15 bucks for a fig, but im not going to let and extra inch in height be my reason for doing it. as far as your two pack statement...dont see it. as far as articulation goes...dcu aint the best, but hasbo aint either! if it wasnt for some of the old TB molds(which they use incorrectly imo) MLs would be totally crap! i dont perfer dcu over ml, i just perfer dc over marvel.

 

Extra inch or so in height, and much more mass overall = much more plastic, when oil and materials were sky high, how hard is this to understand? Whats DCUC's excuse though? cause wave 6 and 7 sell like hot cakes and places can't get rid of em? Is that why wave 9 is so under produced?

 

It's true hasbro reuses the havoc/marvel etc body a LOT and in most cases it works, but in wave 1 of the two packs they had Ult Cap and Fury, both with double knees and elbows, and Fury's coat and arms were completely new(the rest was as well kind of since Punisher hadn't been released yet) Ronin has double elbows and knees, that new Wolverine had double knees and elbows and only thing reused on him was the torso from Ult Wolverine, hell the only figures in wave 1 with single joints were Elektra's elbows and Thing(and even thing got a much nicer paint job)

 

Wave 2, lots of reuse but all fitting, and the only single joint is once again the female elbows, IM is a whole new mold with fantastic articulation.

 

(WM exclusive 2 packs are still crap though, sure the XMen movie ones have nice Cyke and Wolvy head sculpts but other then that more reuse, and the first WM exclusive packs only one they got right is Domino)

 

HML IS winning the articulation race now, you can try and deny it all you want but its true. And like i said even most of the lower amount of artic HMLs still have the same PoA as DCUC, they just work differently.

 

As for paint on a whole, DCUC has more, is that better though? its arguable, in some cases more paint would help Hasbro's sculpts but in others they don't need more paint.

 

And please, don't bring up reusing TB molds as a bad thing, other wise DCUC would be nothing but a lost cause since at least way more then half of the line is reuse.

 

DCUC is a great line, just seems like some DC fans are blinded by it cause they just now finally have a good line.

 

HML has a long list of failures, a lot of HML1/2/3 for example(3 was when they started to get the hang of the line though) but in the long run DCUC and HML are on equal footing or HML is in the lead by a hair.

 

whats dcu's excuse for what? dcu figs have always been 13 bucks. hell...EVERYTHINGS AT LEAST 13 BUCKS! i just see a lot of marvel goers holding on to that sad a** excuse that hasbro had for upping the price on MLs like a security blanket. why is wave 9 so hard to find? ill answer that when you tell me why ML 6, 7, and 8 were so hard to find.(sh*t happens my brotha) you can fool yourself into believing that hasbro's MLs are ahead of mattel's DCUs if you want, and its your right, but a hml only stands a chance with an old TB body. crazy thing is this: a line that has 10 waves, 2 con exclusives, 6 two packs, and a cartoon line(public enimies) all using the same body molds, is showing no sign of "falling off" , and you somehow figure that theyre loosing the race? actually...why are we even debating this? whats the real topic of this thread? seeems that weve just jacked this thread, huh?(lol)

 

Yeah DCUC is the new ML, its coming up. But I think as a whole ML is still more popular.

Just go on ebay and the market for ML is about 5,000 items for sale. DCUC is about 2,000 items, so ML is still better Because of Marvels Fan Base. But DCUC is doing good for themselves.

 

 

well, thats not surprising seeing that marvel has more figs anyway. wait? did you say since marvel's fan base is bigger, that makes MLs better?...( :wacko: i think that i need to sit..) if you look at most people's trade/sell list on any board, you'll find a sh*t load of MLs for sell. the fact is, a lot of people jut like action figures...period. of course you have the die hards out there, but alot of people collect out of impulse wants. i'll use myself as an example. most people figure me to be a DC "die hard", or to better put it, a batman fanboy. the fact is...i just like figures! dont get me wrong, as a character....im batman all the way! but im not going to buy, or make excuses for any of the of the B.S. story lines, or product thats out there. i like marvel. i like comics. thats why i was heavy into marvel legends!(plus they were articulated) but over half of the characters that were released i only bought out of boredom, to get a BaF, or because there was nothing else out there.(basicly boredom) thats the same with DCUC. i dont like every character that mattel choses to make, its just the fact that for once, i can actually build at least 88% of a group. weather it be the teen titans, or the freakin c listers like the metal men, i still have the option. but im not committed to DCU figures only. a lot of marvel fans act as if they cant be honest about a good action figure. maybe some of the stuff that is said about DCU figs is really how they feel, but a lot of people are just haters. if you go to both boards, read some of the post. marvel collectors compare MLs to DCUs a lot more than DC collectors compare DCUs to MLs....why is that?

 

Same here. I like 6" Super hero figs. I'm a big marvel fan, but I'll grab up DCUC if I think the fig is cool (or the CnC).

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Apparently you haven't seen or noticed what DC Universe is doing with 6" figures. Even some of the more obscure DC characters have made it into plastic form and have done well. It just goes to show what a little marketing, solid buy in from retailers, and the ever popular, LISTENING TO YOUR DAMN FAN BASE can do for a figure line. Lets face it, Marvel Legends isn't dead, Hasbro is just trying to kill it. To bad they are full of a bunch of idiots that just don't seem to "get it". Why couldn't Marvel have looked past competitive differences to get their product handled right by Mattel is beyond me.

 

Any questions?

 

Oh i know what DCUC is all about, shoddy QC, impossible to find figures, high prices, articulation on par/below that of even Hasbro MLs and I LIKE DCUC.

 

 

Please don't ever use excuses like prices of DC cuz ML Foom series was way outta line to start with and as far as availability goes, Hasbro has given us terrible product or did you already forget Nemesis wave? Hasbro can't paint or shade anything and their articulation is so shoddy you should be ashamed of even mentioning DCUC in the same category. Need another refresher? How bout Target series Black Spiderman. What kind of spidey can't freaking move his hands to shoot webs? Overall I would have to say DCUC has taken all of the stumbling blocks of Hasbro and perfected on their ideas from Toybiz concepts. The only complaint I have with them is I would prefer more hand variations. DCUC and Hasbro are in 2 different leagues, hasbro happens to be in the minors waiting to be called up to play.

ML Foom wave had a nice excuse, most of the figures were on the large scale(much larger then any normal ML/DCUC these days for sure, minus She Hulk anyway, and Sampson and Absorbing Man were about normal size if not a tad bigger) and the paint on a good bit of those figures were good as well, and Foom himself is bigger then any DCUC C&C except maybe Chemo.

 

Nemesis wave huh? yeah Beast is crap kinda(a wash would fix his looks but the artic is lame on the legs, swivel is needed more so then double knees) Nova is crap cause of the plastic colors and no sculpted detail, normal Punisher is bland(camo is great though) Daredevil is easily the BEST Daredevil released to date, Black Bolt may have Hasbro articulation and slap hands but he's on par with DCUC, Tigra's a bit scrawny and the hasbroticulation hurts her but other wise she's a nice looking female, and Nemesis is a nice figure as well, also this wave was sculpted and budgeted out before they got their game together.

 

Target Wave Spidey, why does he need the classic hand pose? the Symbiote Spidey didn't use webbing that way, least not when i've seen it, uses it the same way Venom does, with a fist lowered somewhat and the webs coming out from the back of the hand/wrist(true he doesn't come with a fist so it is kinda is a moot point but still)

 

As for articulation as a whole, if you take most HML and DCUC and count em they add up to about the same(HML's easily winning with the new 2 packs though) so thats also a moot point.

 

HML 2 packs on a whole are better then DCUC now.

 

 

you call that an excuse? an extra inch or so justifies adding 4 extra bucks? i dont mind paying 15 bucks for a fig, but im not going to let and extra inch in height be my reason for doing it. as far as your two pack statement...dont see it. as far as articulation goes...dcu aint the best, but hasbo aint either! if it wasnt for some of the old TB molds(which they use incorrectly imo) MLs would be totally crap! i dont perfer dcu over ml, i just perfer dc over marvel.

 

Extra inch or so in height, and much more mass overall = much more plastic, when oil and materials were sky high, how hard is this to understand? Whats DCUC's excuse though? cause wave 6 and 7 sell like hot cakes and places can't get rid of em? Is that why wave 9 is so under produced?

 

It's true hasbro reuses the havoc/marvel etc body a LOT and in most cases it works, but in wave 1 of the two packs they had Ult Cap and Fury, both with double knees and elbows, and Fury's coat and arms were completely new(the rest was as well kind of since Punisher hadn't been released yet) Ronin has double elbows and knees, that new Wolverine had double knees and elbows and only thing reused on him was the torso from Ult Wolverine, hell the only figures in wave 1 with single joints were Elektra's elbows and Thing(and even thing got a much nicer paint job)

 

Wave 2, lots of reuse but all fitting, and the only single joint is once again the female elbows, IM is a whole new mold with fantastic articulation.

 

(WM exclusive 2 packs are still crap though, sure the XMen movie ones have nice Cyke and Wolvy head sculpts but other then that more reuse, and the first WM exclusive packs only one they got right is Domino)

 

HML IS winning the articulation race now, you can try and deny it all you want but its true. And like i said even most of the lower amount of artic HMLs still have the same PoA as DCUC, they just work differently.

 

As for paint on a whole, DCUC has more, is that better though? its arguable, in some cases more paint would help Hasbro's sculpts but in others they don't need more paint.

 

And please, don't bring up reusing TB molds as a bad thing, other wise DCUC would be nothing but a lost cause since at least way more then half of the line is reuse.

 

DCUC is a great line, just seems like some DC fans are blinded by it cause they just now finally have a good line.

 

HML has a long list of failures, a lot of HML1/2/3 for example(3 was when they started to get the hang of the line though) but in the long run DCUC and HML are on equal footing or HML is in the lead by a hair.

 

whats dcu's excuse for what? dcu figs have always been 13 bucks. hell...EVERYTHINGS AT LEAST 13 BUCKS! i just see a lot of marvel goers holding on to that sad a** excuse that hasbro had for upping the price on MLs like a security blanket. why is wave 9 so hard to find? ill answer that when you tell me why ML 6, 7, and 8 were so hard to find.(sh*t happens my brotha) you can fool yourself into believing that hasbro's MLs are ahead of mattel's DCUs if you want, and its your right, but a hml only stands a chance with an old TB body. crazy thing is this: a line that has 10 waves, 2 con exclusives, 6 two packs, and a cartoon line(public enimies) all using the same body molds, is showing no sign of "falling off" , and you somehow figure that theyre loosing the race? actually...why are we even debating this? whats the real topic of this thread? seeems that weve just jacked this thread, huh?(lol)

 

Yeah DCUC is the new ML, its coming up. But I think as a whole ML is still more popular.

Just go on ebay and the market for ML is about 5,000 items for sale. DCUC is about 2,000 items, so ML is still better Because of Marvels Fan Base. But DCUC is doing good for themselves.

 

 

well, thats not surprising seeing that marvel has more figs anyway. wait? did you say since marvel's fan base is bigger, that makes MLs better?...( :wacko: i think that i need to sit..) if you look at most people's trade/sell list on any board, you'll find a sh*t load of MLs for sell. the fact is, a lot of people jut like action figures...period. of course you have the die hards out there, but alot of people collect out of impulse wants. i'll use myself as an example. most people figure me to be a DC "die hard", or to better put it, a batman fanboy. the fact is...i just like figures! dont get me wrong, as a character....im batman all the way! but im not going to buy, or make excuses for any of the of the B.S. story lines, or product thats out there. i like marvel. i like comics. thats why i was heavy into marvel legends!(plus they were articulated) but over half of the characters that were released i only bought out of boredom, to get a BaF, or because there was nothing else out there.(basicly boredom) thats the same with DCUC. i dont like every character that mattel choses to make, its just the fact that for once, i can actually build at least 88% of a group. weather it be the teen titans, or the freakin c listers like the metal men, i still have the option. but im not committed to DCU figures only. a lot of marvel fans act as if they cant be honest about a good action figure. maybe some of the stuff that is said about DCU figs is really how they feel, but a lot of people are just haters. if you go to both boards, read some of the post. marvel collectors compare MLs to DCUs a lot more than DC collectors compare DCUs to MLs....why is that?

 

Same here. I like 6" Super hero figs. I'm a big marvel fan, but I'll grab up DCUC if I think the fig is cool (or the CnC).

 

 

Yeah I have every thing Bat Man from the DCUC. That last comment was not me saying wich is the better, I was talking Numbers.

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I like DCUC. I've bought almost every DCUC figure they've made, except for a few that I've simply not been able to find for a reasonable price. DCUC is doing better than HML at the moment, without a doubt, but it's far from an extremely healthy line. Wave 9 got shorted and the pegs are clogged with revision cases from older assortments. Wave 8 never even appeared in my area because of those pegwarmers.

 

It's also relying on intense reuse of parts, and has some of the worst quality control of any mass produced line I've ever seen. They make Toy Biz Marvel Legends look like they had good QC by comparison.

 

It's a good line, but some folks here need to get off that pipe of whatever they're smoking. It's far from perfect.

 

PS: They were $9.99 to start with when they first came out. Now they're $12.99. Yes, they have raised the price, and rumor has it it's going up to $14.99 before the year is out.

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I'm a huge Marvel fan.

 

Right now, DCUC is kicking the crap out of ML. Nearly every fig is well done and they are producing tons of new figs. Meanwhile, we won't get more MLs till late 2010...maybe (that's when we find out what the next set of 2 packs may be) and only about half of the MLs produced are well done.

 

Articulation is great, but at some point you start getting diminishing returns. Most DCUC figs have plenty of articulation. Plus, they have superior hips (cause they don't use the ball joint)...I'm guessing this is why many people prefer DCUC sculpts to MLs.

 

the highlighted portion is the part I totally agree with.

for those who read my past posts, one of my annoyances with Hasbro is the intentional use of the v-crotch styled top peg ball-joints.

I like ball-joints ... the old Toy Biz, side attached way!!!

It worked with Kang (a re-issue), it worked with the Super Skrull (another re-issue), and it worked on all sorts of GI Joe figs, but man they stick 90% of MLs with it and it sucks!

The Hasbro joint especially hurts the female figs. It is darn sad that they do this when people have complained for the past 3 years about it.

(If the collectors of GI Joe or Star Wars complained, things would have changed QUICK!!!)

 

While the DCUC figs look funny when u do splits (the crotch area is way too flat), at least you dont have to twist and turn to get a natural kicking pose.

 

I cant say that DCUC is winning, but that they are pretty avaialable.

unless u are into the MU scale figs, ML is darn near a shot in the dark now,

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