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Okay since no one will say it I will. The X-men wave will have a Wolverine or a Cyclops or both. They are basically standard for any X-men based waves. They are basically what Spider-man is to his line and what Cap is to the Civil War line. Sorry but it's going to happen.

So true. Like I said, since it IS inevitable, at least make em accurate. A short and stocky Wolverine would work.

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So, if the X-Men Wave is offcial, we should start listing our hopes, for me it goes like this:

 

Jim Lee Rogue (thats the one revealed) / Modern Variant

Jim Lee Cyclops

Polaris / Classic Psylocke

Havok

Cable / Bishop

Old Man Logan

 

The BAF should be Nimrod and the alternate Onslaught Head.

 

A Lilandra would be great and also a Professor X with the hoverchair

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Cool, I'm game. Here's mine:

 

  • Rogue
  • Wolverine (Tiger-Stripe)
  • Cyclops (Jim Lee)
  • Jubilee (Lee Era/Swap with Rogue)
  • Gambit (Lee Era)
  • Apocalypse (swap with Magneto)
  • Magneto (swap with Apocalypse)
  • Havok (Lee Era)

 

BAF: Juggernaut

 

As for why a '92 Wave? Because that's the era when X-Men really hit its stride. It never had the same level of success before or after that. I mean Lee's X-Men #1 was on the NY Times Best Seller list for God's sake! A COMIC BOOK.

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why oh why are people asking for a 92 x-man wave?!

 

we have over 60 years of costumes. just because we are getting a jim lee Rogue does not mean we are getting more Jim Lee figures.

And more to the point, why, oh why do people continue to want the same versions of figures redone?!? 53 years of so many characters (many of whom a lot of us would love to see in ML form), and yet people continue to want to bog down these waves and spend even more money on the same versions. And if you suggest Hasbro release them as standalone store exclusives with zero impact to Build-a-Figure waves, you'll get an argument! If you missed out on a figure that you wanted, well I know this sounds callous but that's on YOU! If you want it bad enough, you'll just have to go to the secondary market. Better YOU spend scalper prices than I and many others having to spend (currently ) $20 on a character we already have In a particular costume in order to complete a BAF! AND for those that simply didn't like the way a character came out, I've been there too and the bottom line is, at least we got the character! That's another one off the list! Hasbro doesn't put out so many of these that we can just wait for new characters while they waste wave space trying to "get it right" for people dissatisfied with the 1st attempt.

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As for why I want a X-Men 92 wave... I grew up watching the cartoon every Saturday morning. I love the costumes and the story. To me the Jim Lee era was the best era of comics ever. I guess it's kinda like adults that collect wrestling figures want characters from their childhood. Adults just remember the things from their childhood with fondness. One day you may look back and want a new Captain America figure or a Justin Beiber cd. Hope this question wasn't rhetorical.

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why oh why are people asking for a 92 x-man wave?!

 

we have over 60 years of costumes. just because we are getting a jim lee Rogue does not mean we are getting more Jim Lee figures.

And more to the point, why, oh why do people continue to want the same versions of figures redone?!? 53 years of so many characters (many of whom a lot of us would love to see in ML form), and yet people continue to want to bog down these waves and spend even more money on the same versions. And if you suggest Hasbro release them as standalone store exclusives with zero impact to Build-a-Figure waves, you'll get an argument! If you missed out on a figure that you wanted, well I know this sounds callous but that's on YOU! If you want it bad enough, you'll just have to go to the secondary market. Better YOU spend scalper prices than I and many others having to spend (currently ) $20 on a character we already have In a particular costume in order to complete a BAF! AND for those that simply didn't like the way a character came out, I've been there too and the bottom line is, at least we got the character! That's another one off the list! Hasbro doesn't put out so many of these that we can just wait for new characters while they waste wave space trying to "get it right" for people dissatisfied with the 1st attempt.

 

 

 

I would agree with you on a few figures but there are so many bad figure from both Hasbro and Toybiz that have gotten new much better toys.

 

compare and constrast:

  • Ultron- tb against the 2 new Hasbro Versions
  • Scarlet Witch- tb against the new hasbro version
  • Spider-woman - tb against the new hasbro version
  • Wasp - tb against the new one
  • Namor - the tb against first hasbro version against the new one coming out
  • Scarlet Spider- the TB Spidey classic version against the new Hasbro one, while you are at it the first Ben Reilly spidey from hasbro against the one coming up
  • Emma Frost - Hasbro first version and the new version
  • Kraven - TB versions and the Hasbro version
  • Morbius - TB vs Hasbro
  • Carnage - TB VS Hasbro
  • Nova - Hasbro vs new Hasbro

and these are only the ones I spotted on myself. im not saying they should do redoes. I'm saying they should do one that were bad. not ones that you can't buy anymore or have another version out.

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You mean like black suit Spider-Man? I pulled my ML one out and for the life of me, I cannot find any reason it should be redone. Can't play the "color apps" game. Only so many ways you can apply black and white. There's also nothing wrong with the articulation save for missing ankle rockers. Do we need anot u er black suit just because of that? And in a BAF wave at that? Really?!?

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I never really got the whole "ToyBiz did a great version so Hasbro shouldn't make another" mentality.

 

ToyBiz Series 3 Wolverine is probably one of my all-time favorite ML figures. If they had never made another Wolverine after that, I would still be happy. But that doesn't mean I don't still love that Jubilee Series Wolverine from Hasbro. I'm glad they made it, and I'm happy to own both.

 

The 'Biz and the Has' are two totally different companies with vastly different production values. Whether ToyBiz knocked it out of the park with such-and-such or not, I still welcome Hasbro's take on it.

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well considering that most of the employee are from both companies that arguement about different companies doesn't really fly. but the have improve immensely

 

also Rukkdezz, you also seem to forget one thing. one wave of figures may be someone first wave ever. if that wave has a figure that already been made then that newbie would be saving money. Veterans like us complain about getting redoes but none of us think of the new guys coming in.

 

as for Black Suit spider-man, I just want a new version on that awesome new Spidey buck. Hell I want as many spidey costumes on that buck. Iron Spider, Armor Spider, Alternate spider-men, etc. why? well mainly cause i want to build my Spider-verse to the extreme, and have all the Spider-men (peter parkers) be the same height and build.

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why oh why are people asking for a 92 x-man wave?!

 

we have over 60 years of costumes. just because we are getting a jim lee Rogue does not mean we are getting more Jim Lee figures.

 

Like someone said I think the early nineties were when the X-Men were at their best. The tv show was modeled after that look and the character roster had a smaller group of what was on the comic team. Personally I just want a redo of a Jim Lee Cyclops. The Toybiz version was too skinny. Psylocke would be cool too but I can live with the X Force version. The rest of the Toybiz versions I am cool with.

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why oh why are people asking for a 92 x-man wave?!

 

we have over 60 years of costumes. just because we are getting a jim lee Rogue does not mean we are getting more Jim Lee figures.

And more to the point, why, oh why do people continue to want the same versions of figures redone?!? 53 years of so many characters (many of whom a lot of us would love to see in ML form), and yet people continue to want to bog down these waves and spend even more money on the same versions. And if you suggest Hasbro release them as standalone store exclusives with zero impact to Build-a-Figure waves, you'll get an argument! If you missed out on a figure that you wanted, well I know this sounds callous but that's on YOU! If you want it bad enough, you'll just have to go to the secondary market. Better YOU spend scalper prices than I and many others having to spend (currently ) $20 on a character we already have In a particular costume in order to complete a BAF! AND for those that simply didn't like the way a character came out, I've been there too and the bottom line is, at least we got the character! That's another one off the list! Hasbro doesn't put out so many of these that we can just wait for new characters while they waste wave space trying to "get it right" for people dissatisfied with the 1st attempt.

 

 

Everyone has different tastes. You may want the entire Marvel Universe made into figures but some of us only want certain ones and want them to look their best. You can't please everyone. I am guessing looking at it from a bushiness point of view, Hasbro sees them making more money by redoing alot of these characters so thats where they are going. Trying to hook new customers. They are going to go the money route every time.

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Tarot, you missed my point. I never said no one at Hasbro ever worked for ToyBiz. For all I know (or care) Dwight Stall could be Jesse Falcon in a rubber mask. My point was Hasbro is producing a totally different product from ToyBiz. Both are great and have their own merits, so they can both be enjoyed.

 

And, to be totally honest, ToyBiz did drop the ball on several figures that I dearly wish Hasbro would redo (I cry a little inside every time I look at my ToyBiz Falcon).

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If Hasbro CAN do better than Toy BIZ on certain looks, they should. TB Wasp in her black and yellow looks like Liza Minnelli wearing a diaper under her costume. Proportions are a mess. New Wasp was AMAZING.

 

Scarlet Witch used to be called Scarlet Mitch with her five o'clock shadow! Remember? Now she looks amazing, curvaceous, imposing, and has power effects.

 

They redid Black Widow, awful Hasbro1 Emma Frost, Psylocke, Spider-Woman, Ms. Marvel, Black Cat... are you kidding that these aren't worthwhile updates? LMAO Google for some side-by-side pics of the old and the new and really tell me if it's worth getting a Squirrel Girl cause she hasn't been done before, instead of a really STRONG remake of a really iconic, popular character that wasn't done well the first time around before advancements in sculpt, paint apps, articulation and scale. And if you have to actually have this argument with fans who DO want the remakes, our money is keeping this line going also, so in Hasbro's eyes, our opinion and taste is just as valid. Thanks.

 

I like eljun83's list, but I don't see us getting another Emma Frost for a while. To tweak that list...

 

Jim Lee Rogue (Walgreens Exclusive; with Onslaught head BAF piece)

 

X-Men Wave:

Polaris (modern) / Jim Lee Storm (Pearlescent white)

Cable

Wolverine (Patch)

Jim Lee Cyclops / Havok (modern)

Gambit (90s remake)

Multiple Man (alternate heads for different expressions)

Avalanche (classic)

BAF: Sauron

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Everybody has some good points. In my opinion Black Bolt and the new Daredevils were unecessary. The ones that came in the Nemesis wave were excellent! Besides that new male body is already catching up to the Bullseye mold everyone started complaining about for the same reason. I would like some variety in the bases like before.

Now there are some characters that are dying for another go or update. Rogue,Scarlet Witch and most if not all the ladies they've done were musts. A few of the guys not so much. Wolverine has been great in all of his uniforms that really matter at the right height with most of them. I don't need any more unless he undergoes a significant change in style. Same with Spider Man but he has to lead his line in each wave somehow for the kiddies. Of course Iron Man has so many different armors I don't mind. But an entire wave based on early 90s Jim Lee design ? I say no. Cyclops(TB one anorexic), Xavier, Jubilee and Psylocke(TB not so good) I would love. The rest of those guys you should find online. Toy Biz did excellent jobs on them. Especially Beast and Gambit. There are other characters and looks from the past that people would like to see that haven't been done. Havok's all new X Factor and the original X Force just to start. There's already a Havok in his classic uniform. It never changed until he led the second X Factor team. Artist Larry Stroman designed that team's look. One of his more modern designs would be great as well.

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