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5 hours ago, Air-Walker said:

Totally agree. The non Metallic Guardian is a big let-down. Looks like Hasbro cheaped out at the last minute. And yes...that on-the-toilet-straining, old-man face! Sigh. The look seems to be based on the 'grimace of determination' expression that John Byrne used all the time on his characters. But man oh man it doesn't translate to plastic! Or at least the sculptor pushed it too far. A few steps back in the neutral direction would have made it right, plus a bonus head with a gritted teeth expression, ala X-Men 109. Any how, I'm still grateful for it. I've wanted a Guardian figure since I was a kid and I missed the previous TB versions.

I'm still holding out that it might be a light filter issue and he'll be a bit more metallic looking in hand. In reality, at this point I'm just happy He was able to avoid the Bucky Cap mold. They really need to start using this Spider UK mold more often. It really works for this one because the sculpted wrinkles really make it clear he's wearing some sort of suit.

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As much as Cannonball not having legs bugs me, what makes it even worse is how poorly executed his "comet-tail" is.

It's not very dynamic, is it? Cannonball's whole thing is rocketing through the air like a . . . wait for it . . . CANNONBALL. This figure looks more like he's just hovering there. Either that or he was smuggling 80 gallons of popcorn butter under his shirt and the bag just broke.

If they had to do it this way, make him the figure without a BAF piece, and give him a flight stand, then make his tail a much longer separate piece, maybe with a curl or two. Something that suggests forward movement.

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7 hours ago, mako said:

As much as Cannonball not having legs bugs me, what makes it even worse is how poorly executed his "comet-tail" is.

It's not very dynamic, is it? Cannonball's whole thing is rocketing through the air like a . . . wait for it . . . CANNONBALL. This figure looks more like he's just hovering there. Either that or he was smuggling 80 gallons of popcorn butter under his shirt and the bag just broke.

If they had to do it this way, make him the figure without a BAF piece, and give him a flight stand, then make his tail a much longer separate piece, maybe with a curl or two. Something that suggests forward movement.

He's not really rocketing through the air, it's more like he is just taking off

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5 hours ago, leokearon said:

He's not really rocketing through the air, it's more like he is just taking off

I think that was the point he was making. It's an entire figure stuck in a static pose based on a split second in time when he's launching himself off the ground. Sure, you can move his arms and head but posing him like he's really using his powers is outta the question. It's just a fail on all fronts. No legs for neutral poses, no blasting tail to represent his power set and as I mentioned before, due to the jacket, his head and arms don't even fully extend forward. Basically he's useless as an action figure cuz there's not any "action" to it whatsoever. Think of the ACBA guys who take the pictures for this forum. There's basically one pic that can be done and pretty much nothing else. Like I said before, if I didn't need the BAF part I would pass this thing like a bad check. 

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I really wanted to like Cannonball... He's one of my favourites so having display options is always a big deal for me. Only getting the update on Nightcrawler probably :/

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7 hours ago, monron999 said:

I think that was the point he was making. It's an entire figure stuck in a static pose based on a split second in time when he's launching himself off the ground. Sure, you can move his arms and head but posing him like he's really using his powers is outta the question. It's just a fail on all fronts. No legs for neutral poses, no blasting tail to represent his power set and as I mentioned before, due to the jacket, his head and arms don't even fully extend forward. Basically he's useless as an action figure cuz there's not any "action" to it whatsoever. Think of the ACBA guys who take the pictures for this forum. There's basically one pic that can be done and pretty much nothing else. Like I said before, if I didn't need the BAF part I would pass this thing like a bad check. 

EXACTLY!

What's worse though, is Hasbro has worked their tales off to get where they are today. Then they release this!?! Way below their standards.

And I'm pretty sure the BAF piece is the only reason A LOT of people are gonna get this one.

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On ‎6‎/‎2‎/‎2019 at 3:41 AM, Lordtom said:

This has to go down as one of the most disappointing wastes of potential in recent history for ML.  No legs on cannonball should get whoever made that decision fired. Another Vindicator? YAWN! ANOTHER Wolverine that we've already had...twice! Sinister is a pale comparison to the Toybiz version. Nightcrawler is perfection which is why the rest of this line is so baffling. Boom Boom no removable glasses? And Wendigo feels so out of place where it should have been Strong guy. This feels like such a poorly thought out line. 

They could have swapped out (in?) Snowbird for X-Force Wolverine and Shaman or NorthStar/Aurora for Cannonball, considering how universally loathed that figure is. That way people aren't getting Logan fatigue and more of Alpha Flight is getting completed.

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9 hours ago, mako said:

EXACTLY!

What's worse though, is Hasbro has worked their tales off to get where they are today. Then they release this!?! Way below their standards.

And I'm pretty sure the BAF piece is the only reason A LOT of people are gonna get this one.

Well they probably put a lot of working into the Blast effect, it just a case of good in theory, bad in practice.

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3 hours ago, leokearon said:

Well they probably put a lot of working into the Blast effect, it just a case of good in theory, bad in practice.

Looking at the photos, I'm pretty sure its more a case of starting off with a great idea, then having to chip away at it to get it to "cost-out" with the rest of the wave.

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9 hours ago, Atlantis said:

They could have swapped out (in?) Snowbird for X-Force Wolverine and Shaman or NorthStar/Aurora for Cannonball, considering how universally loathed that figure is. That way people aren't getting Logan fatigue and more of Alpha Flight is getting completed.

"Universally loathed" is a bit overstated.  I still plan to get the figure and I'm sure many other collectors will as well (and that likely  includes some of the loudest complainers).  That said, given that Wendigo is the BAF, another alpha flight member in the wave would've been nice, especially Snowbird.

I take it as a given at this point that every x-wave will have either a Logan or X-23 figure in some form.  When's the last time an x-wave didn't have a wolverine figure? Anyways while i feel like i have enough wolvies,  he is the most popular x-man, so if including him helps convince retailers to keep stocking the x-waves in toy aisles, i'm OK with it. 

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35 minutes ago, bashpics99 said:

I still plan to get the figure and I'm sure many other collectors will as well (and that likely  includes some of the loudest complainers). 

Don't take this the wrong way, but . . . duh.

That's the whole point of the Build-a-Figure concept, to get collectors to buy EVERY figure in a given wave, even a double order of fail with extra weak-sauce like this Cannonball.

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i don't know why people are complaining. you know they will re-release him with legs at some point. hasbro take complaints and use them to make a profit.

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People will always complain, I think it’s great the way they did Cannonball and Hasbro is doing good

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59 minutes ago, tarot said:

i don't know why people are complaining. you know they will re-release him with legs at some point. hasbro take complaints and use them to make a profit.

You answered your question in the same phrase. It's because they WILL most likely do another one with legs later. And yes, we'll all have to shell out another $20+ to get it, just like we always do, when they coulda/shoulda just got it right the first time. Also, as Hasbro tends to veer away from doing straight redo's of previous figures, it will most likely be a different version of the character and the fans of the original X-Force character will be out of luck yet again. The second part of your statement backs up the case for "complaining" even more. If no one ever complains, how the hell else are they supposed to have the input to change things later to make said profit? Can't respond if you don't have anything to respond to.

 

54 minutes ago, jdgi said:

People will always complain, I think it’s great the way they did Cannonball and Hasbro is doing good

Also, what you both are referring to as complaining can also be perceived as honest criticism. Looking back, most of our comments were fair and factual. I don't see anyone that just berated the thing out of true hatred for the figure or the character. We all just seemed to point out legitimate flaws about what basically turns out to be a statue masquerading as an action figure. And no one ever said Hasbro isn't doing good. Ever since the launch of the Infinite line I think we can all agree that our opinion on how Hasbro is handling ML has been overwhelmingly positive. It's when you're doing a good job and get us accustomed to a certain standard that we're used to, that something like this Cannonball figure is such a disappointment to the fans. A lot of us dislike this figure, maybe some will even hate it, but I've yet to see anyone completely write off Hasbro based on this, and a few other poor attempts.

I always love when someone tries to kill a discussion with this same old "mice drop". We should make a betting pool as to how many pages a thread will go before someone breaks out with the inevitable "why is everyone always complaining" crack. I'll put up the prize outta pocket.

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I don't mind criticism. In fact I agree with most of what people are complaining. I display my figure in static poses since I don't have room so having him with legs is my ideal figure. 

What I don't agree with is this notion that if a few hate it, we all hate it. It's the same as saying, "why is this character in this wave when no one wanted him?" It's my most hated pet peeves of figure collecting when we get a new character and people whine about him being in it.

But like many people are saying, the figure itself actually looks fantastic. I don't think anyone will disagree with that. But it was poorly executed and it's most likely the fault of the bean counters. 

as for the wolverine figure, yes we have waaaayy too many Wolverines (heck this figure make me think the one that rumor in the 3-pack is Astonishing Wolverine.) But I have come to accept that Wolverine (and Spidey or MCU figures) are a necessary evil.

If i had to swap out figure, I would have swap out the Wolverine and put in some X-force related like Warpath. I'd leave the Cannonball though.

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as a matter of fact, people complaining about the figures has lead to some good things. The prime example of this that always come to mind, is when we got a Animated Taskmaster. Expect for the Udon head, that figure was complained about not being the Classic version. Not a year or two later, Hasbro released a classic version. 

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3 hours ago, tarot said:

i don't know why people are complaining. you know they will re-release him with legs at some point. hasbro take complaints and use them to make a profit.

People are allowed to complain if they aren't happy with a product. Also will there be another Cannonball with legs? Maybe but it isn't a guarantee

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Also it seems cost is a big factor in this wave, given there are only six figures instead of seven

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Just thinking about it there, if they are revealing (or putting stuff up for pre-order, god only knows what they have prepare for Saturdays reveal at SDCC. 

Note that the first 3 days may not reveal much but don't count Hasbro out until the Saturday.

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4 hours ago, tarot said:

i don't know why people are complaining. 

Because its a terrible figure? Because Hasbro is asking us to spend adult collector line money on what is essentially a figure from one of the el-cheapo kiddie lines? Because as loyal Hasbro consumers we have the right/responsibility to complain when we see something we don't like? Because this is the internet on a slow news day, and if we didn't complain this place would be dead and you. me, and everybody else here would be forced to go out and do something constructive?

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6 minutes ago, tarot said:

Just thinking about it there, if they are revealing (or putting stuff up for pre-order, god only knows what they have prepare for Saturdays reveal at SDCC. 

Note that the first 3 days may not reveal much but don't count Hasbro out until the Saturday.

Personally, I'd be thrilled if they held their reveals till that Saturday. That's my birthday, and it would make a pretty cool way to spend part of it.

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30 minutes ago, tarot said:

Just thinking about it there, if they are revealing (or putting stuff up for pre-order, god only knows what they have prepare for Saturdays reveal at SDCC. 

Note that the first 3 days may not reveal much but don't count Hasbro out until the Saturday.

Hopefully they will have new stuff and haven't spoiled it before then

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I understand why people are complaining, perhaps I was to general in my last post. They could have added the legs, they went the other way, probably for costs reasons, what I don’t understand is why when there is a figure like this Cannonball that doesn’t meet all of the expectations, we (as collectors) tend to minimize what Hasbro has been doing all this time, we are getting a lot of characters, improvements and new ones, and they don’t seem to be ending any time soon. This is great for us!

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2 hours ago, mako said:

Because its a terrible figure? Because Hasbro is asking us to spend adult collector line money on what is essentially a figure from one of the el-cheapo kiddie lines? Because as loyal Hasbro consumers we have the right/responsibility to complain when we see something we don't like? Because this is the internet on a slow news day, and if we didn't complain this place would be dead and you. me, and everybody else here would be forced to go out and do something constructive?

You remind me of an old friend. He had the same bitter-ish humor and asked lots of questions answering ones that were never asked. Good times.

 

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1 hour ago, jdgi said:

I understand why people are complaining, perhaps I was to general in my last post. They could have added the legs, they went the other way, probably for costs reasons, what I don’t understand is why when there is a figure like this Cannonball that doesn’t meet all of the expectations, we (as collectors) tend to minimize what Hasbro has been doing all this time, we are getting a lot of characters, improvements and new ones, and they don’t seem to be ending any time soon. This is great for us!

I can't speak for anybody else, but for me, its BECAUSE of the strides Hasbro has made that I'm so critical of this figure. Hasbro took ToyBiz' sloppy leftovers and turned it into the best figure line out there; then they did this. Maybe it was an awesome figure that got cut due to budgetary reasons, or maybe it was thrown together at the last minute to fill a space without going over that same budget, but they're capable of so much better.

And just so we're perfectly clear, Hasbro could release a whole wave of these legless, static monstrosities, and in my book they'd still be the best toy company in town . . . bar NONE.

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