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9 hours ago, EUPHORICVIKING said:

I've seen tony slip up in the comics enough times. My point was that there are different incarnation of the same characters, based on writers, plot(PIS), time-period, relevance and what the general public are interested in. Some vary drastically, some do not.

1) Iron Man #167 (1983)

2) Iron Man #308 (1994)

3) Fear Itself #4 (2011)

4) AXIS #5 (2014)

5) Tony Stark: Iron Man #9 (2019)

Those are all the times Tony has fallen off the wagon. I'm not sure whether or not to count Avengers Disassembled, when the Scarlet Witch made Tony magically drunk for a few moments, but he didn't actually ingest anything and there didn't seem to be any repercussions. Number 2 occurred as a result of Tony being possessed by VOR/TEX, and Number 5 occurred due to Tony being brainwashed. This leaves us with only three slips-up in which the decision to drink was actually in Tony's hands. And one of them is Number 4, which occurred because Tony's moral compass had been magically inverted, so he wasn't in the right mind when he made the choice. And Number 3 wasn't much because Tony was tempted, but rather because he offered his sobierty as a "tribute" to Odin. 

To sum up, Tony has genuinely slipped up only two times in the 40 years the character has been battling alcoholism. And only one of them came from an actual place of temptation and inability to refrain himself.

Is that really enough times to call him a "drunk dick"? Is that really?

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14 hours ago, ADour said:

1) Iron Man #167 (1983)

2) Iron Man #308 (1994)

3) Fear Itself #4 (2011)

4) AXIS #5 (2014)

5) Tony Stark: Iron Man #9 (2019)

Those are all the times Tony has fallen off the wagon. I'm not sure whether or not to count Avengers Disassembled, when the Scarlet Witch made Tony magically drunk for a few moments, but he didn't actually ingest anything and there didn't seem to be any repercussions. Number 2 occurred as a result of Tony being possessed by VOR/TEX, and Number 5 occurred due to Tony being brainwashed. This leaves us with only three slips-up in which the decision to drink was actually in Tony's hands. And one of them is Number 4, which occurred because Tony's moral compass had been magically inverted, so he wasn't in the right mind when he made the choice. And Number 3 wasn't much because Tony was tempted, but rather because he offered his sobierty as a "tribute" to Odin. 

To sum up, Tony has genuinely slipped up only two times in the 40 years the character has been battling alcoholism. And only one of them came from an actual place of temptation and inability to refrain himself.

Is that really enough times to call him a "drunk dick"? Is that really?

This is really important to you isn't it? He's not a drunk "dick". But he was never as comedic until he entered the MCU.  Also I'm pretty sure Tony making a drunk error is what lead to Norman Osborn taking over with the dark avengers....

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8 hours ago, EUPHORICVIKING said:

This is really important to you isn't it? He's not a drunk "dick". But he was never as comedic until he entered the MCU.  Also I'm pretty sure Tony making a drunk error is what lead to Norman Osborn taking over with the dark avengers....

I'm just countering misinformation. That it involves my favorite character being mischaracterized does provide some motivation, yes. And also that you did berate another user with "Have you ever read a comic with him?" when, to be honest and without ill-intent, I'm kinda asking myself this.

As for Dark Reign, it had nothing to do with Tony's alcoholism. The Skrulls infiltrated the Earth without anybody knowing, and Tony took the fall because he was basically in charge of the superhuman community during this time so technically is was his job to see this coming (again, despite the fact nobody did). The only reason Norman Osborn took his place is because he was in the right place at the right moment, and was the one who dealt the final blow to the Skrull queen on live TV.

I do agree that Tony was not comedic until he entered the MCU, and it's a pity. At least his characterization survived until 2015. It was with Brian Michael Bendis' run that Tony effectively became an imitation of RDJ's portrayal of the character. Previous writers had managed to keep him more or less in line with his pre-MCU characterization.

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15 hours ago, ADour said:

I'm just countering misinformation. That it involves my favorite character being mischaracterized does provide some motivation, yes. And also that you did berate another user with "Have you ever read a comic with him?" when, to be honest and without ill-intent, I'm kinda asking myself this.

As for Dark Reign, it had nothing to do with Tony's alcoholism. The Skrulls infiltrated the Earth without anybody knowing, and Tony took the fall because he was basically in charge of the superhuman community during this time so technically is was his job to see this coming (again, despite the fact nobody did). The only reason Norman Osborn took his place is because he was in the right place at the right moment, and was the one who dealt the final blow to the Skrull queen on live TV.

I do agree that Tony was not comedic until he entered the MCU, and it's a pity. At least his characterization survived until 2015. It was with Brian Michael Bendis' run that Tony effectively became an imitation of RDJ's portrayal of the character. Previous writers had managed to keep him more or less in line with his pre-MCU characterization.

If memory serves me right, Tony was drunk at the podium giving a speech, it was then he was relieved of his duty and replace with Norman Osborne. I may have to go back, but I thought that's what happened. 

 

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3 hours ago, EUPHORICVIKING said:

If memory serves me right, Tony was drunk at the podium giving a speech, it was then he was relieved of his duty and replace with Norman Osborne. I may have to go back, but I thought that's what happened. 

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... When Tony was drunk at a podium, it was during the events of Avengers Disassembled that I touched on in my previous comment in which I listed every single instance of Tony falling off the wagon, complete with the issues of reference and context, because I am knowledgable on the character and have read his comics.

It happened in Avengers #500 (2004). Tony had the floor at a United Nations assembly and he suddenly became drunk and threatened the Latverian ambassador, which cost him his job as Secretary of Defense. The reason he suddenly got drunk despite not having had a drink was because Scarlet Witch made him magically drunk as part of her nervous breakdown when she caused the Avengers' disbandment.

For reference, Norman Osborn became America's "top cop" in 2008. You're mixing up two different stories four years apart, despite the fact that in a previous comment I had already laid out how did Osborn get to Tony's position and clarified it had nothing to do with Tony's sobriety, or lack thereof.

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1 hour ago, ADour said:

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... When Tony was drunk at a podium, it was during the events of Avengers Disassembled that I touched on in my previous comment in which I listed every single instance of Tony falling off the wagon, complete with the issues of reference and context, because I am knowledgable on the character and have read his comics.

It happened in Avengers #500 (2004). Tony had the floor at a United Nations assembly and he suddenly became drunk and threatened the Latverian ambassador, which cost him his job as Secretary of Defense. The reason he suddenly got drunk despite not having had a drink was because Scarlet Witch made him magically drunk as part of her nervous breakdown when she caused the Avengers' disbandment.

For reference, Norman Osborn became America's "top cop" in 2008. You're mixing up two different stories four years apart, despite the fact that in a previous comment I had already laid out how did Osborn get to Tony's position and clarified it had nothing to do with Tony's sobriety, or lack thereof.

it's been a while since I've read, ill have to go back. 

 

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