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1 hour ago, EUPHORICVIKING said:

LOL what? how many shields are out there? I'm pretty sure I've only seen one Vibranium shield in all of the marvel movies, With the exception of endgame( where cap fights himself). Anyone that sees a round shield with a star on it would probably be able to guess whose shield it is...

It's really not all that "out there" to think they could make another shield. They just found out how much Vibranium there is in the world in Wakanda and I'm pretty sure the new arm the Wakandans gave Bucky is mostly, if not entirely, mad out of Vibranium.

 

28 minutes ago, leokearon said:

What's to stop people making their own Shield. Happens in the comics.

Absolutely nothing. In the comics Walker actually took Cap's shield and while Steve Rogers was operating as The Captain (when the original black suit was created) he also had a new shield made that was a non-painted natural Vibranium finish.

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Buuuuh Red Guardian has a round shield with a star?? 😏

But anyway, if that's how Zemo is gonna be looking, that's pretty rad.

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3 hours ago, leokearon said:

The only think about that is why would Sam give the Shield that Cap gifted him back to the government, who never owned it? If he respected Cap as much as he does, it would make more sense for him to keep it somewhere safe until he did feel worthy. The government could just give Walker a Shield no THE Shield (it would be unlikely the public would tell the difference between a real and fake shield)

Well that would be the thing, Sam wouldn't want the shield. He would still see himself as that guy huffing and puffing to keep up with Steve at the beginning of Winter Soldier, but never really standing a chance. As for giving it to the government, he would probably feel they were the best people to find a worthy successor. Plus, it's sort of their's anyway. Remember, THEY gave it to Cap.

There are all kinds of interesting ways they could take the show. 

Huh, listen to me. Getting all fan-boyish and happily anticipating an MCU show.

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8 hours ago, tarot said:

probably the government will force Sam to give up the sheild to Walker, Walker becomes too violent or overly patriotic and Sam has to take him down and then becomes the new cap. 

"Overly patriotic"? Wow. Didn't know that was a crime.

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8 minutes ago, Gigantor said:

"Overly patriotic"? Wow. Didn't know that was a crime.

it is when you try and force people to follow your view. there being patriotic, where people love and respect their country and everybody in it, and overly patriotic, where is people are not from there country, don't have the same view or religion or question the government lead led to people being persecuted against. most recent view is what is happening in Hong Kong. 

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Then you chose the wrong wording. Trying to force people to follow your view as in 'it's my way or the highway" leans more towards communist/socialist & US Agent is far from that imo. He just loves his country to the point that anyone trying to mess with it will incur his full wrath. If anything, Bucky rates to be the next Cap being as he is a far superior hand to hand combatant & stronger, faster , quicker than Sam Wilson. 

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2 hours ago, tarot said:

it is when you try and force people to follow your view. there being patriotic, where people love and respect their country and everybody in it, and overly patriotic, where is people are not from there country, don't have the same view or religion or question the government lead led to people being persecuted against. most recent view is what is happening in Hong Kong. 

You have a real messed up definition of patriotic. Good thing you live in a country that lets you express your opinion.

Might wanna think on that.

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8 hours ago, Atlantis said:

From the MCU, Cap got Howard to make him another shield and when he returns to the current timeline, he gives it to Sam...not sure govt has a true claim on that shield in order to take it from him. But that was the comic storyline, and I don't expect it to follow the new MCU timeline. In any case I really like this concept art for Falcon's outfit. I'd love it to be as close to the comic as possible.

I subscribed to Disney+ and was able to log on; but every show was unable to be seen so maybe I was too early.

*^%$#()@! still cant get on. Says "protected content license error". Maybe they'll get it fixed end of day. Bah!

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Really don't want to pay for another streaming service (in this case Disney +) but images like these make it hard to say no.

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3 hours ago, Gigantor said:

Trying to force people to follow your view as in 'it's my way or the highway" leans more towards communist/socialist & US Agent is far from that imo.

The word you're looking for is 'authoritarian'. There have certainly been plenty of authoritarian socialists and communists throughout history, but it's not intrinsic and certainly not exclusive to those economic frameworks. There have also been plenty of authoritarian nationalists who are all about good, old-fashioned capitalism, which frankly seems like a really natural fit for USAgent.

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13 hours ago, leokearon said:

What's to stop people making their own Shield. Happens in the comics.

True, but it depends on what kind of shield a body wants. Captain America's shield was a unique alloy blend, virtually indestructible and had inertial absorbing properties that haven't been (exactly) duplicated; it was basically created by accident and the closest they ever got to copying it wound up as Adamantium. Its also expensive as hell because only a few agencies could ever get the materials to make it.

In the comics, when Cap got "fired" in the 80s the shield went to Walker, and Cap got a new one made by Stark (this was out of Adamantium) and later still, he got one from the Black Panther made of Vibranium. Of course he eventually got his shield back and Walker got a number of variants over the years. 

So yes the technology has improved to where someone could get close to the original shield, but you still have the problem of who can make it and how one can afford it.  Fortunately all these people live in a world of high tech ultra rich billionaires, not to mention evil organizations, so if they want one bad enough....

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12 hours ago, tarot said:

it is when you try and force people to follow your view. there being patriotic, where people love and respect their country and everybody in it, and overly patriotic, where is people are not from there country, don't have the same view or religion or question the government lead led to people being persecuted against. most recent view is what is happening in Hong Kong. 

 

10 hours ago, mako said:

You have a real messed up definition of patriotic. Good thing you live in a country that lets you express your opinion.

Might wanna think on that.

I'll 2nd that.

Ehrrrr.....uuuuhm. Who exactly is being overly patriotic in that situation? Is it the oppressive communist Chinese government who are reneging on a deal that would have kept the territory of Hong Kong operating as a democracy through ratified negotiations or is it the free people of Hong Kong, deemed "anti-government rioters" by the state run media, who are protesting against China moving in on them with it's military might to occupy and overtake them with communism?

If it's the people of Hong Kong, then count me as one of the Overly Patriotic who would do the same in the face of losing my freedom and everything I hold dear.

That's as political as I'm gonna get cuz I'm sure the usual Trolls are waiting with baited breath to hit me with all their canned, pre-programmed, cut and paste rhetoric to try to get me all riled up so they can report me as an enemy of the state.

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8 hours ago, Emnems80 said:

Really don't want to pay for another streaming service (in this case Disney +) but images like these make it hard to say no.

Does the fact a lot of people are signing up and not being able to access anything help?

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16 minutes ago, monron999 said:

 

I'll 2nd that.

Ehrrrr.....uuuuhm. Who exactly is being overly patriotic in that situation? Is it the oppressive communist Chinese government who are reneging on a deal that would have kept the territory of Hong Kong operating as a democracy through ratified negotiations or is it the free people of Hong Kong, deemed "anti-government rioters" by the state run media, who are protesting against China moving in on them with it's military might to occupy and overtake them with communism?

If it's the people of Hong Kong, then count me as one of the Overly Patriotic who would do the same in the face of losing my freedom and everything I hold dear.

That's as political as I'm gonna get cuz I'm sure the usual Trolls are waiting with baited breath to hit me with all their canned, pre-programmed, cut and paste rhetoric to try to get me all riled up so they can report me as an enemy of the state.

I used the wrong praise but the people im talking about are the chinese army. Since thr hong kong people dont follow their government rule they are using violent against them.

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Geez, use the inartful expression of "overly patriotic" and everybody gets the vapors, it seems.  Never heard the term "jingoistic", I guess, or of having a "love it or leave it", "my country right or wrong" attitude.   And i  kinda thought that was USAgent's whole shtick,  he starts off trying to do the right thing without being squeamish about getting his hands dirty and then eventually goes completely overboard and has to rethink his approach.  I mean Gruenwald's conception of him was as "a patriotic villain" who was Steve Roger's opposite in a number of ways. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if USAgent is presented as a foil for Sam & Bucky, as Tarot suggested.

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36 minutes ago, bashpics99 said:

Geez, use the inartful expression of "overly patriotic" and everybody gets the vapors, it seems.  Never heard the term "jingoistic", I guess, or of having a "love it or leave it", "my country right or wrong" attitude.   And i  kinda thought that was USAgent's whole shtick,  he starts off trying to do the right thing without being squeamish about getting his hands dirty and then eventually goes completely overboard and has to rethink his approach.  I mean Gruenwald's conception of him was as "a patriotic villain" who was Steve Roger's opposite in a number of ways. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if USAgent is presented as a foil for Sam & Bucky, as Tarot suggested.

I don't think there was ever any doubt Walker will be an antagonist on the show. From the beginning he's always been portrayed as the liberal media's interpretation of a right-wing conservative: at best, a ham-fisted buffoon, at worst, a violent, jingoistic sociopath. Whether watching 40 year-old MASH reruns or reading the latest Marvel SJW-fest, you can attribute many qualities to liberal media . . . originality is not one of them.

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1 hour ago, bashpics99 said:

Geez, use the inartful expression of "overly patriotic" and everybody gets the vapors, it seems.  Never heard the term "jingoistic", I guess, or of having a "love it or leave it", "my country right or wrong" attitude.   And i  kinda thought that was USAgent's whole shtick,  he starts off trying to do the right thing without being squeamish about getting his hands dirty and then eventually goes completely overboard and has to rethink his approach.  I mean Gruenwald's conception of him was as "a patriotic villain" who was Steve Roger's opposite in a number of ways. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if USAgent is presented as a foil for Sam & Bucky, as Tarot suggested.

 

37 minutes ago, mako said:

I don't think there was ever any doubt Walker will be an antagonist on the show. From the beginning he's always been portrayed as the liberal media's interpretation of a right-wing conservative: at best, a ham-fisted buffoon, at worst, a violent, jingoistic sociopath. Whether watching 40 year-old MASH reruns or reading the latest Marvel SJW-fest, you can attribute many qualities to liberal media . . . originality is not one of them.

There was a lot of insinuation about Walker from the start. If you'll remember, his original code name was Super Patriot, which was a much used buzz word of the media of the time which is pretty synonymous with the way they are using Ultra Patriotic right now so there is a correlation there. They  pretty much all but called him a far right white supremacist, who faked acts of terror to justify operating under his own brand of justice. It was a good story and I wouldn't be a bit surprised it Marvel went that way with the story, but the inclusion of Baron Zemo into the series leads me to believe he will actually be a government agent turned rogue rather than the original story. It's almost certain that the group of super soldiers Zemo killed in Civil War was supposed to represent Walker and the other BUC's that went through the Power Broker's treatment, but now that they've mussed up his origin story I think they're gonna go the way of Walker being his direct replacement.

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Anyhow....... moving away from wrong phrasing and #$##, I think the government will cut a deal with Zemo, since he knows so much about the Winter Soldier program. Because of this, he will be in charge of "creating" a new Soldier for the government, that being Winter Soldier. I can only hope this lead to him setting up the T-Bolts as that is the main reason I think Marvel decided he should be one of the only surviving villains of the franchise.

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19 minutes ago, tarot said:

Anyhow....... moving away from wrong phrasing and #$##, I think the government will cut a deal with Zemo, since he knows so much about the Winter Soldier program. Because of this, he will be in charge of "creating" a new Soldier for the government, that being Winter Soldier. I can only hope this lead to him setting up the T-Bolts as that is the main reason I think Marvel decided he should be one of the only surviving villains of the franchise.

That sounds legit, but what about this. What if they recovered the thumb drive that Cap and Natasha downloaded from Zola and attempt to revive the program creating Walker to be Rogers' replacement that Zemo manages to corrupt. I have trouble thinking the US government would trust Zemo to run that program in some sort of Operation Paperclip type scenario. Maybe that's just me. Then again, Thunderbolt Ross has shown that he would go through any means to push his overall agenda. 

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30 minutes ago, tarot said:

Anyhow....... moving away from wrong phrasing and #$##, I think the government will cut a deal with Zemo, since he knows so much about the Winter Soldier program. Because of this, he will be in charge of "creating" a new Soldier for the government, that being Winter Soldier. I can only hope this lead to him setting up the T-Bolts as that is the main reason I think Marvel decided he should be one of the only surviving villains of the franchise.

Doesn't really seem likely. As he proved rather dramatically, Zemo had absolutely no interest in the Winter Soldier program other than as a tool to bring down the Avengers. As a matter of fact, he murdered all the other Winter Soldiers JUST to keep them out of play. Seems unlikely he'd get involved with recreating the very thing he dedicated his life to destroying.

Maybe after killing their king, Wakanda wants a piece of Zemo. He escapes while being transported to them, then the government sends their brand spanking new Captain America (Walker) to bring him back. Walker, not yet a d!(k, ends up being captured and brainwashed into becoming Zemo's meat puppet. This could even plant the seeds of a Thunderbolts storyline as Zemo would now be looking to use Walker as the centerpiece of his "anti-Avengers."

Sam and Bucky go after them, Sam becomes the new Cap. Credits role.

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4 hours ago, mako said:

Does the fact a lot of people are signing up and not being able to access anything help?

That sucks. My bigger peeve is more with Verizon. I would have it free for a year if they had their 5g or Fios available in my area, but they don't. I don't need unlimited on my phone plan, just my home internet (and be able to get rid of Comcast at the same time!).

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6 hours ago, Atlantis said:

True, but it depends on what kind of shield a body wants. Captain America's shield was a unique alloy blend, virtually indestructible and had inertial absorbing properties that haven't been (exactly) duplicated; it was basically created by accident and the closest they ever got to copying it wound up as Adamantium. Its also expensive as hell because only a few agencies could ever get the materials to make it.

In the comics, when Cap got "fired" in the 80s the shield went to Walker, and Cap got a new one made by Stark (this was out of Adamantium) and later still, he got one from the Black Panther made of Vibranium. Of course he eventually got his shield back and Walker got a number of variants over the years. 

So yes the technology has improved to where someone could get close to the original shield, but you still have the problem of who can make it and how one can afford it.  Fortunately all these people live in a world of high tech ultra rich billionaires, not to mention evil organizations, so if they want one bad enough....

I need to watch endgame again but did Cap take his shield with him on his last mission? If he left his shield it could have been the shield from the timeline where he spent his life with Peggy that he gave to Falcon. Would make a possibility of having a 2nd shield available. Of course if Cap took the shield on the last mission it's a mute point.

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2 hours ago, mako said:

Doesn't really seem likely. As he proved rather dramatically, Zemo had absolutely no interest in the Winter Soldier program other than as a tool to bring down the Avengers. As a matter of fact, he murdered all the other Winter Soldiers JUST to keep them out of play. Seems unlikely he'd get involved with recreating the very thing he dedicated his life to destroying.

Maybe after killing their king, Wakanda wants a piece of Zemo. He escapes while being transported to them, then the government sends their brand spanking new Captain America (Walker) to bring him back. Walker, not yet a d!(k, ends up being captured and brainwashed into becoming Zemo's meat puppet. This could even plant the seeds of a Thunderbolts storyline as Zemo would now be looking to use Walker as the centerpiece of his "anti-Avengers."

Sam and Bucky go after them, Sam becomes the new Cap. Credits role.

That reminds me, what is Zemo's current status after BP stopped him, I assumed he would be in Wakanda jail for killing their king, or in a international jail for masterminding the attack

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23 hours ago, tarot said:

Well you cant have many mask like that and not look similar. Beside i think sin eaters mask is green

U need the gold headpiece to go with the mask and then it will look more like zemo and less like a guy wearing a purple ski mask.

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1 hour ago, leokearon said:

That reminds me, what is Zemo's current status after BP stopped him, I assumed he would be in Wakanda jail for killing their king, or in a international jail for masterminding the attack

Good question. The last we see of him, to my knowledge, was in a cell like Bucky's as Everett Ross gloated at the end of Civil War.

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