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To me it really makes no difference if they made the Netflix show cannon or not. It was great in his own dirty gritty way and I really enjoyed it but he just wasn't as heroic as he was in the comics and I kept waiting for him to be like that. In the comics he was 10x the BA he was in the Netflix. He would glide around like Spidey with his grappling hook. His radar made it virtually impossible to sneak up on him. He could feel the air hit his skin before a strike allowing his reflexes to react faster making him nearly impossible to hit by anyone who didn't have superpowers themselves. He went toe to toe with guys like Spidey and Cap and Wolverine. In the Netflix show he took an Invincible level beat down in at least every other episode. Then Elektra calls him the best fighter she's ever known only to have to save his buns from the fire in every other episodes between those beat downs. I mean as a vigilante you have to go out every night thinking you're going to win the fight but how many L's do you take before you start to rethink your path in life? I know his unbreakable will is part of his character but that seems to be the only thing they really got right.

I do like the way they approached his abilities in the She-Hulk show. Bouncing and flipping all over the place with unnatural agility and using his hook and line as fluid as he does in the comic. As a matter of fact that was about the only good part of the show. If they could keep the feel of Netflix but make his skill set a bit more comic-ish I would be happy. I know I'm in the minority here because pretty much everyone else I know is calling for the new show to be more or less a continuation of the Netflix but dude it's been so long. A little change for the better is sometimes a good thing. Now doing it right is the key. Which is something Disney+ has not been able to do since Loki season 1. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if DD was the one to break that chain.

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On 1/4/2024 at 5:41 PM, AndyL said:

To me it really makes no difference if they made the Netflix show cannon or not. It was great in his own dirty gritty way and I really enjoyed it but he just wasn't as heroic as he was in the comics and I kept waiting for him to be like that. In the comics he was 10x the BA he was in the Netflix. He would glide around like Spidey with his grappling hook. His radar made it virtually impossible to sneak up on him. He could feel the air hit his skin before a strike allowing his reflexes to react faster making him nearly impossible to hit by anyone who didn't have superpowers themselves. He went toe to toe with guys like Spidey and Cap and Wolverine. In the Netflix show he took an Invincible level beat down in at least every other episode. Then Elektra calls him the best fighter she's ever known only to have to save his buns from the fire in every other episodes between those beat downs. I mean as a vigilante you have to go out every night thinking you're going to win the fight but how many L's do you take before you start to rethink your path in life? I know his unbreakable will is part of his character but that seems to be the only thing they really got right.

I do like the way they approached his abilities in the She-Hulk show. Bouncing and flipping all over the place with unnatural agility and using his hook and line as fluid as he does in the comic. As a matter of fact that was about the only good part of the show. If they could keep the feel of Netflix but make his skill set a bit more comic-ish I would be happy. I know I'm in the minority here because pretty much everyone else I know is calling for the new show to be more or less a continuation of the Netflix but dude it's been so long. A little change for the better is sometimes a good thing. Now doing it right is the key. Which is something Disney+ has not been able to do since Loki season 1. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if DD was the one to break that chain.

I think the reason for him being less skilled as a fighter, and not having all of the comic skill sets in the Netflix show was because he was still learning, it was his debut, he was still figuring it out, if you did notice he progresses by the end of the last season, and if you can see by the time we got to she-hulk he was far more improved in his techniques, going forward I'm sure he will be more like his comic counterpart in terms of his abilities, because he is more experienced, he was just setting out in the Netflix shows.

 

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On 1/4/2024 at 5:01 PM, Lord_Scareglow said:

I think the reason for him being less skilled as a fighter, and not having all of the comic skill sets in the Netflix show was because he was still learning, it was his debut, he was still figuring it out, if you did notice he progresses by the end of the last season, and if you can see by the time we got to she-hulk he was far more improved in his techniques, going forward I'm sure he will be more like his comic counterpart in terms of his abilities, because he is more experienced, he was just setting out in the Netflix shows.

 

I don't know buddy. I remember thinking the exact same thing at the time. But we were three seasons in. The story had already progressed pretty far. Elektra had already died and been reserected. He had his run in with Punisher. Bullseye had already shown up.

I remember when he snatched the baton out of the air when Bullseye threw it at Foggy. I was thinking here it is. It's going to be similar to the Redemption issue where he caught the Sai Bullseye threw at him and flung it back at him and then proceeded to give him a good beating and nearly kills Bullseye. But no. He gets licked like a dog. Then he get beat up again in a church and only escapes with his life because of Karen. From a guy with no real powers.

And then at the third season's finally I just knew he was going to take it to both Bullseye and Fisk. But no. Couldn't get over on Bullseye so Fisk had to take him out. Then Fisk was pretty much trouncing him until Vanessa unintentionally distracted him and Matt sucker punched him. It was just a disappointing mess for me. Actually I was glad it was over by that time. It's like the writers knew how to write a good vigilante story. Just not a Daredevil story. And another thing I don't think many people realized is that it kind of crossed over into the comics as well and he suddenly started getting smacked around a lot more in the them as well.

I know I'm probably taking the thread off subject and I'll stop now but I think a lot of people just have this inflated idea of how good the show actually was at the time. And I think a lot of it was based on how well Charlie Cox came across as Matt Murdock. And he was brilliant. But maybe this time he could keep that same magic he had as Matt and maybe they can make DD just a little more DD.

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Honestly, the Netflix shows were all bad. DD was the best, but I think its over-rated. I loved the gritty fight scenes of the first season and the interactions of he and Berenthal in the second. As it went on the focus on Karen Page got really old, especially on second watch, lots of scenes of her crying. They got Kingpin well acted and interesting, but Bullseye wrong. Idk, it wasn't horrible, but not the "greatest thing ever" like the near consensus online opinion seems to be. The lack of acrobatics and the Billy club annoyed me more and more as the show went on. I actually liked the focus on those in the She Hulk episodes.

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On 1/5/2024 at 7:13 AM, AndyL said:

But maybe this time he could keep that same magic he had as Matt and maybe they can make DD just a little more DD.

Yeah I mean from what we saw in She-Hulk he seemed more DD, so let's hope they keep that momentum.

is DD supposed to be in this Echo show? I keep hearing he is, but no real confirmation? am I just going coocoo?

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Answered my own question, yes it appears evident multiple sources say Charlie Cox is Daredevil in Echo.

so guess we will find out more, how Marvel is handling DD post Netflix.

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On 1/6/2024 at 11:10 AM, tarot said:

People seem to think DD has to be brooding the whole time like Batman, but just unlike the DC icon, DD has spent more time as swashbuckling hero.

Even Frank Miller didn't have him brood as much as people think. I get sick of this idea that if a character isn't dark ALL the time they are Disneyfied or weakened. Like any joke in the MCU ruins the movie and makes it lame. Now we can debate how some jokes land, or the sheer amount of them, or timing. But some humorous moments don't negate all bad assedness.

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I like Daredevil as a character, but structurally.....he's not much different from Spider-Man.
-Both lost their fathers, to motivate their crime-fighting.
-Both gained powers from a radioactive accident.
-Both fight crime in NYC.
-Both wear predominantly red costumes.
-Both have an extra sensory warning power.
-Both swing from building to building via swing-line tech.

But then, that's comics for ya....

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On 1/7/2024 at 3:39 AM, TheArrow said:

I like Daredevil as a character, but structurally.....he's not much different from Spider-Man.
-Both lost their fathers, to motivate their crime-fighting.
-Both gained powers from a radioactive accident.
-Both fight crime in NYC.
-Both wear predominantly red costumes.
-Both have an extra sensory warning power.
-Both swing from building to building via swing-line tech.

But then, that's comics for ya....

Daredevil was originally Spider-Man meets Batman meets Errol Flynn, that's how Stan envisioned him.

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On 1/6/2024 at 11:05 AM, Lord_Scareglow said:

Yeah I mean from what we saw in She-Hulk he seemed more DD, so let's hope they keep that momentum.

is DD supposed to be in this Echo show? I keep hearing he is, but no real confirmation? am I just going coocoo?

*edit

Answered my own question, yes it appears evident multiple sources say Charlie Cox is Daredevil in Echo.

so guess we will find out more, how Marvel is handling DD post Netflix.

Yeah there was even some footage leaked for a fight between Echo and DD and putting it kindly it was baaaaad. A lot of non-contact and late cues. Granted it was probably pretty raw and still in need of editing but it was clearly way off Netflix fight scene value. My hopes for this show are failing faster everyday but hopefully it's something they can learn from to make DD better.

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On 1/6/2024 at 4:58 PM, since83 said:

Even Frank Miller didn't have him brood as much as people think. I get sick of this idea that if a character isn't dark ALL the time they are Disneyfied or weakened. Like any joke in the MCU ruins the movie and makes it lame. Now we can debate how some jokes land, or the sheer amount of them, or timing. But some humorous moments don't negate all bad assedness.

Yeah I think the Miller era DD is improperly dubbed his dark era. Probably mostly because of the whole Death of Elektra thing. But a lot of Miller's DD was Matt in a stable balance between Lawyer and vigilante. DD enjoyed being a hero and interacting with the residents of HK. They felt safer with him there. The children loved him. Criminals feared him. He was a real hero back then. That was his heyday. I'd say anything in the last 10 years is darker than anything Miller did.

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Just watched the first 2 episodes, hey I like this show, It's got a more sombre vibe then a lot of the Marvel things of late, the acting is good, nice movement, good action, so far so good, I'm saving the rest of the episodes, let's see how it all unfolds. DD in episode 1 BTW.

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According to Deadline, Marvel Studios' Echo has debuted as the top-ranked series on both Disney+ and Hulu. This achievement marks several firsts for the studio, including being the first TV-MA series developed by Marvel Studios, the first time all episodes were made available to subscribers simultaneously, and the first Marvel series to be accessible on both platforms concurrently.

Additionally, Echo is the inaugural show under the Marvel Spotlight banner, which aims to showcase more relatable, character-focused narratives with a street-level perspective, prioritizing local conflicts over the broader Marvel Cinematic Universe storyline.

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Not sure I'd call being jammed out and distanced from the MCU an achievement. Feige had no confidence in the show. They badly edited it down. You can tell there was probably an hour and a half focused on Biscuits fixing up Granny's truck. Thank God they took it out, but it was weird to see him all of a sudden driving a monster truck. Daredevil scene was good in the first episode which consisted of clips out of the Hawkeye show mixed with some new stuff. I liked the Yeah Yeah Yeahs theme song and the very end Kingpin bit gave me hope for a cool upcoming storyline. Kinda like Kamala recruiting Kate in the Fury to Stark homage scene should have brought joy to people even if they didn't like the Marvels. Much like the Marvels I hope they don't learn all the wrong lessons from this shows probable failure. I liked the fight scenes, but there weren't enough to carry it. The show felt forced and rushed at the same time that it dragged. I liked a lot of the characters but didn't feel like they needed to be focused on. The Macguffin powers she got were definitely not cooler than her actual powers in the comics, and the ending was so cringy I laughed out loud. I doubt I'll ever watch it again. I always want to like this stuff and really wanted it to be good, but it wasn't imo. 

 

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A bunch of random weird statistics. I bet you it's also the first show released under the Marvel banner named after a character named after the the reflection of sound off a surface. You can make this type of goofy crap up all day. But is it a good show? No. Plain and simple. Rushed in some spots. Droning and lagging in other parts. Large elements were clearly taken out and edited down. I'd be lying if I said I watched it all the way through. I fell asleep so many times but just powered through it because I knew I'd never go back to it if I didn't. Disappointing but to say they weren't kind off letting us know it would be the entire time would be a lie. In the end we get more Kingpin and more DD leading into the future. Why they decided to call it Spotlight over Knights is a mystery to me but let's just hope they get better as they go. I'm so afraid for the DD series more than ever. Sixteen episodes like this? Please somebody help these guys figure it out.

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As far as your worry about DD, I am a little heartened by the recent news. Just the fact that they recognized a problem with this and DD is good. They edited this down because it was too late to totally fix. But, DD is being largely rewritten/reshot. Not sure of the validity, as it wasn't reported on this site, but it looks like Foggy and Karen Page actors are back in the show. I know I was complaining about Page before, but I like the actress and character. I just felt like too much time was spent on her story in the show. We are watching DareDevil not the Karen Page show. But the fact that this is essentially an extension of the previous work is good. The fact that they recognized and are currently working to fix the problem is even better. I'm still hopeful for DD even though I didn't love this show.

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I really loved this show. I get the criticism, but don't really see it as a negative as much as something different. I loved all the character's development, I loved how the violence was handled. Being unrelated to the comic origins, I kinda digged her powers. I liked how they showed tradition and flashbacks. I loved the ep 3 silent film opening. It felt really comicbooky and I'm honestly here for it. I'm looking forward to more projects like this. I wasn't expecting anything, didn't really care for Hawkeye and wasn't looking forward to Echo... but I was pleasantly surprised

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On 1/13/2024 at 9:43 AM, since83 said:

As far as your worry about DD, I am a little heartened by the recent news. Just the fact that they recognized a problem with this and DD is good. They edited this down because it was too late to totally fix. But, DD is being largely rewritten/reshot. Not sure of the validity, as it wasn't reported on this site, but it looks like Foggy and Karen Page actors are back in the show.

Initially I though so too. Because I did like those two as their characters. But what all these recasts and rewrites and the confirmation that the Netflix show is now canon is telling me is they are going to try to recreate the style and feel of the Netflix show. Which I often say was good but it just did not do justice to the character. It means less comic book BA Daredevil and more getting smacked around like a chump in pajamas and depending on you civilian entourage to save your hash from the fire. I was looking forward to DD being a real superhero type like he was in his early comic series but it looks like we're going to end up getting that dark gritty tough to get over on guys with no superpowers that we got with Netflix. Which really stinks because I was really wanting to see him gliding across the city on his grapple hook and doing crazy Captain Americ style ricochet tricks with his batons. But I guess we get the same take a beating and then question your abilities while on the mend and then ultimately overcoming your doubts and then take another beating only to have someone else do your heavy lifting in the end formula that we got from Netflix. Total buzz killer.

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So I hear that Foggy & Karen are not being recast, well I guess this truly makes the netflix series Canon which I really am fond of, but I really didn't love that Foggy, ah well, Karen loved Deborah..so I guess that's a win, but mostly a win if it really means we are not going to erase the Netflix show from the books, I think those shows should be kept in Canon, keep the cast and put them in the MCU Proper, love Kristen as JJ, although I mean Iron Fist...at least he got better in Season 2.

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On 1/15/2024 at 11:53 PM, Lord_Scareglow said:

So I hear that Foggy & Karen are not being recast, well I guess this truly makes the netflix series Canon which I really am fond of, but I really didn't love that Foggy, ah well, Karen loved Deborah..so I guess that's a win, but mostly a win if it really means we are not going to erase the Netflix show from the books, I think those shows should be kept in Canon, keep the cast and put them in the MCU Proper, love Kristen as JJ, although I mean Iron Fist...at least he got better in Season 2.

The Netflix shows are in the MCU canon.
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