Hasbro Marvel Legends Series Deluxe Phoenix Figure Pre-order Coming July 18th!

[AndyL]

On 7/31/2024 at 11:31 AM, Emnems80 said:

Yup, still not worth $50

No. No even close under any circumstance.

I would have liked to see a side with a previous figure. I get the feeling this one is going to fall under the same narrow shoulders and teeny tiny head sculpt formula the Warbird fell into. Or even worse she could be bigger than Warbird. Though I've heard it is no the exact same body model.

[Emnems80]

On 7/31/2024 at 9:47 AM, AndyL said:

No. No even close under any circumstance.

I would have liked to see a side with a previous figure. I get the feeling this one is going to fall under the same narrow shoulders and teeny tiny head sculpt formula the Warbird fell into. Or even worse she could be bigger than Warbird. Though I've heard it is no the exact same body model.

If Jean's the same size as Warbird I'll be even more irritated since Jean's legs are only painted where Warbird is sculpted at the thighs.

[burroughsd]

Why did the MSRP go up?  This was just released. 

[since83]

On 10/1/2024 at 9:40 AM, burroughsd said:

Why did the MSRP go up?  This was just released. 

Yeah, it didn't sell out either. I thought that was weird too.

[Lord_Scareglow]

As much as I like this figure, I have ultimately at this point said pass, at 80 dollars Canadian this is not worth it to me, I cancelled my pre-order which was to ship tomorrow, I would like this Phoenix update, but I have zero interest in the phoenix force stand and to try and pull this off as a 2 pack is just sad, I already have a green phoenix and a red one, I don;t need this for the price, it's awful to sell this at the price point it is, if this goes on sale maybe, but currently I'm out on this after much contemplation I will not reward a toy company for being so greedy, 80 dollars....just stop. 

sorry but this is the biggest offender yet in terms of price for Legends, I see no reason why this is as expensive as it is, I'm speaking with my money on this one, and you don't get it.

[jscottt991]

On 10/1/2024 at 10:40 AM, burroughsd said:

Why did the MSRP go up?  This was just released. 

It's just a weird Amazon price adjustment. It happens at Walmart too.  Just wait and it will readjust.  Or order from Pulse or BBTS.

[Atlantis]

On 7/16/2024 at 7:56 AM, AndyL said:

"... Plus her normal face is really not all that appealing. At least in these photos..."

I passed on this but just looked at a friend's buy. I wouldn't say the normal face isn't appealing, but I will say it just doesn't look like Jean. And I know anyone could say "hey Cockrum drew her face one way, Byrne did it this way, Neal Adams did this, Arthur Adams did that...." so forth. I get it. But this face looks like a more mature woman; almost want to say "edgy", if that makes sense. Actually she looks like the actress Maitland Ward (who also is a redhead, though I'm sure that was just a coincidence by the team...) not unattractive, but not a powered down Jean.

Just like when they did the first Phoenix from the Juggernaut wave (horrid figure), the face just didn't evoke "Jean Grey". The faces used for the Dark Phoenix matched what you'd expect her to look like, but this isn't it. Its not a bad face by any means, just not what I would expect for Jean. 

[MODADDYDODOK]

Looks like a modernized design of the classic Phoenix. In most cases, I hate when they do that.

[AndyL]

On 10/7/2024 at 4:19 AM, Atlantis said:

I passed on this but just looked at a friend's buy. I wouldn't say the normal face isn't appealing, but I will say it just doesn't look like Jean. And I know anyone could say "hey Cockrum drew her face one way, Byrne did it this way, Neal Adams did this, Arthur Adams did that...." so forth. I get it. But this face looks like a more mature woman; almost want to say "edgy", if that makes sense. Actually she looks like the actress Maitland Ward (who also is a redhead, though I'm sure that was just a coincidence by the team...) not unattractive, but not a powered down Jean.

Just like when they did the first Phoenix from the Juggernaut wave (horrid figure), the face just didn't evoke "Jean Grey". The faces used for the Dark Phoenix matched what you'd expect her to look like, but this isn't it. Its not a bad face by any means, just not what I would expect for Jean. 

Yes. Sadly poor Jean is the one character that suffers most from bad portrait interpretation in ML form. First the Celine Dion not terrible but just so totally wrong face from the Juggs wave. Then the Love Triangle Jean Grey which wasn't so bad if it didn't have built in eye roll and RBF mouth. Then this one who actually resembles Molly Ringwald IMO. Or a Romita style Mary Jane actually. The best faces so far have been the Phoenix from the TRU 2 which was beautiful but clearly Cochrum inspired and followed closely by the Retro card one which only comes with the no pupil eyes. But somehow none of them are just right. I don't understand why they can't do something similar to the Black Queen head sculpt but with a slightly more pleasant disposition. Now that was a good looking head sculpt. And yes. Couple those bad head sculpts with the fact that most of them suffer from the terrible wobbly knee base model and Jean's been done pretty dirty for most of the ML lifespan.

[jscottt991]

The face is the weakest part of this because the body of the figure is excellent compared to past Phoenix/Jeans.  I've been trying different Mary Janes and Black Widows on her, but I can't get something I like.  Marvel Girl remains the best Jean Grey figure.

[leokearon]

On 10/7/2024 at 2:34 PM, AndyL said:

Yes. Sadly poor Jean is the one character that suffers most from bad portrait interpretation in ML form. First the Celine Dion not terrible but just so totally wrong face from the Juggs wave. Then the Love Triangle Jean Grey which wasn't so bad if it didn't have built in eye roll and RBF mouth. Then this one who actually resembles Molly Ringwald IMO. Or a Romita style Mary Jane actually. The best faces so far have been the Phoenix from the TRU 2 which was beautiful but clearly Cochrum inspired and followed closely by the Retro card one which only comes with the no pupil eyes. But somehow none of them are just right. I don't understand why they can't do something similar to the Black Queen head sculpt but with a slightly more pleasant disposition. Now that was a good looking head sculpt. And yes. Couple those bad head sculpts with the fact that most of them suffer from the terrible wobbly knee base model and Jean's been done pretty dirty for most of the ML lifespan.

Given what they have done with other women, why is Jean so hard to get right. It can't be that hard to do an attractive Redhead.

[jscottt991]

Almost any head is an improvement, but this old MJ TRU two pack head looks decent. There are versions of this head without the freckles so I might track one of those down.

The Dark Phoenix Jean head is the best, but prices aren't great.

[AndyL]

On 10/7/2024 at 2:25 PM, jscottt991 said:

Almost any head is an improvement, but this old MJ TRU two pack head looks decent. There are versions of this head without the freckles so I might track one of those down.

The Dark Phoenix Jean head is the best, but prices aren't great.

Actually that is one of the best head sculpts done for that time. And it was gorgeous. Unfortunately it was a little large for the MJ body they were using which I think was the same one used for the Netflix Jessica Jones. If you're looking for a freckless version of it though and don't want to have to paint them off I'm pretty sure there was one included in of of the Black Widow figures. I don't know which one right off hand but I bet either @tarot or @leokearon could tell you pretty quickly.

Update: Just checked it out. That would be the Retro Card Black Widow. No freckles but the face is quite shiny. So there's that.

[leokearon]

On 10/7/2024 at 8:25 PM, jscottt991 said:

Almost any head is an improvement, but this old MJ TRU two pack head looks decent. There are versions of this head without the freckles so I might track one of those down.

The Dark Phoenix Jean head is the best, but prices aren't great.

Might have to locate my MJ cosplaying as Black Widow figure and try that out

[jscottt991]

On 10/8/2024 at 11:08 AM, AndyL said:

Actually that is one of the best head sculpts done for that time. And it was gorgeous. Unfortunately it was a little large for the MJ body they were using which I think was the same one used for the Netflix Jessica Jones. If you're looking for a freckless version of it though and don't want to have to paint them off I'm pretty sure there was one included in of of the Black Widow figures. I don't know which one right off hand but I bet either @tarot or @leokearon could tell you pretty quickly.

Update: Just checked it out. That would be the Retro Card Black Widow. No freckles but the face is quite shiny. So there's that.

The main downside of it is that it is probably a touch big on this body. But I think it looks better than the 2023 Target Black Widow.

The 2023 Black Widow head fits better, but I just don't like it as well.

[Atlantis]

On 10/7/2024 at 8:49 AM, leokearon said:

Given what they have done with other women, why is Jean so hard to get right. It can't be that hard to do an attractive Redhead.

While I don't think the Phoenix face here is unattractive, I wouldn't say that; in fact I think its very attractive. I just don't think it fits Jean. Maybe Shiklah or Hela; with the proper hair sweep, a Madame Hydra (since the last one was such an abomination). I could even see it for Elsa Bloodstone. But you're right, they've done a lot of really nice faces for females- White Elektra, Clea, the last Ms. Marvel (Warbird), Jubilee, the Black Widow, I could go on. I just wish the bodies were as well executed as the faces for the line.

[jscottt991]

On 10/10/2024 at 1:54 AM, Atlantis said:

While I don't think the Phoenix face here is unattractive, I wouldn't say that; in fact I think its very attractive. I just don't think it fits Jean. Maybe Shiklah or Hela; with the proper hair sweep, a Madame Hydra (since the last one was such an abomination). I could even see it for Elsa Bloodstone. But you're right, they've done a lot of really nice faces for females- White Elektra, Clea, the last Ms. Marvel (Warbird), Jubilee, the Black Widow, I could go on. I just wish the bodies were as well executed as the faces for the line.

Jean is an example of the reverse - amazing body and a big miss on the head.  Although I wish Jean had Warbird's legs (why couldn't they mold Jean's boots?).

[AndyL]

On 10/8/2024 at 11:42 AM, leokearon said:

Might have to locate my MJ cosplaying as Black Widow figure and try that out

If you do I'd like to know how it turns out if you don't mind. I know I have that figure but its bagged and stored away ever since they did the Ultra Articulated Widow. I packed them away so fast during the move I wouldn't even begin to know what bin it's in. I guess that's something I should dive into one day. I didn't buy the super poseable Jean because of the price and the fact that that body is way too small IMO. But I figure if the head is too big on this figure it might actually fit well on the Retro Card version and it might be worth digging to find it.

[leokearon]

On 10/10/2024 at 2:51 PM, AndyL said:

If you do I'd like to know how it turns out if you don't mind. I know I have that figure but its bagged and stored away ever since they did the Ultra Articulated Widow. I packed them away so fast during the move I wouldn't even begin to know what bin it's in. I guess that's something I should dive into one day. I didn't buy the super poseable Jean because of the price and the fact that that body is way too small IMO. But I figure if the head is too big on this figure it might actually fit well on the Retro Card version and it might be worth digging to find it.

Can't seem to find it. It's somewhere just not in the obvious ML locations

[jscottt991]

On 10/10/2024 at 12:27 PM, leokearon said:

Can't seem to find it. It's somewhere just not in the obvious ML locations

I have that head. I will post pictures of Jean with the MJ Black Widow head, the straight MJ head, the 2023 Black Widow head, and any other redheads I find this evening or tomorrow.

[jscottt991]

As promised, Jean with MJ head, BW 2023 Head, and MJ/BW head.

The hair color is best on the MJ head, but the freckles are distracting.  It's possible the 2023 BW is better after all.