Posted 01 December 2017 - 02:30 PM
Sorry Tarot, I just don't see where you or Mako are coming from. I tend to side more with Rukk. Tho I don't always see eye to eye with him, he's sounding more like the Original Guard than anyone on this topic right now. I know we all live in different regions & Mako is always the first to call me out when I talk about or even show pictures of all the MCU figs clogging the shelves, but I honestly don't know what either of you is basing your opinions on. I have my own views & he has his own views & I respect them but I just don't know where that view comes from. In my work I travel to all 4 corners of the country, including Hawaii & Porta Rico (never been to Alaska, I must admit), but no matter where I go I manage to find time to do a little comic & toy hunting, which is why there is virtually no ML I have not been able to find in the wild. Now, I'm not always necessarily willing to pay the requested price all the time (damn you, X-Force Deadpool) but at least I can say I found it, but that's another point. What I'm saying is no matter where I go, whether it be to the Pacific NW, the Southern Plains or the East Coast, I've never, ever, ever seen the comic based figures under sell the MCU figures. Now, not to say it doesn't happen at specific stores or a concentrated area of stores but I never go to just one store in a city. Basically, if I don't have the time to hit multiple stores, it isn't worth the hunt. Also, there is the occasional comic figure that turns out to be a dog (see Wasp & Speed Demon), but over all there's a reason the comic heavy waves, typically with comic based BAF's, are statistically the better selling waves. That's just straight facts & numbers. It's indisputable.
I too am part of the Old Guard, and I must point out that Toybiz's version of ML did not fail. What happened on that front was nothing more than a hostile takover. The big boys like Hasbro & Mattel ganged up on the little guy Toybiz and sued them for unfair business practices, basically accusing them of having the monopoly on super articulated Superhero figures due to their connection to Marvel. Of course it was ridiculous, cuz there was nothing out there telling other companies they couldn't pursue their own comic lisences, but they couldn't deal with the fact that Toybiz could produce a superior product at a vastly lower cost and sell it at a better price than any of the crap any of the big boys were releasing at the time. The solution was to tie Toybiz up in litigation and sue them into bankruptcy until Marvel had no choice but to sell the license to Hasbro who were specifically wanting it to exploit the movie tie-ins.
The biggest and only failure in ML is when Hasbro could not carry the ball, even after obtaining all of Toybiz's designs, molds and most of the artistic talent. With all their resources Hasbro not only couldn't improve the quality of product, but they couldn't even maintain the height of quality already set by Toybiz. Though many of the fans, specifically the Old Guard (I'm stealing that word from now on, BTW) tried to hang in there and support the line, product loyalty will only carry the fans interest so far, especially when the supporters are suddenly paying double the price for half the amount of product which was also far inferior in every aspect, including, but not limited to accessories, paint aps, articulation & sculpts to the previous manufacturer. So yes, ML did fail, but it was in no way due to the fans. If you are one of the Old Guard (to be referred to as OG from this point on), you will know and understand that we hung on as long as we could, but when you're hauling that POS Silver Surfer or Klaw or Emma Frost from the Dark Days of ML up to the checkout, it actually started to hurt to pull that $20+ out of the wallet & slam it on the counter. I never abandoned ML personally, but I know plenty of people who did, and it had much more to do with product quality rather than fan interest in the characters. Hasbro failed us, and years later, after getting their act together, we came back. Dollars in hand.
To put it into perspective, just imagine how well it would go over if Hasbro were to take the figures they did during the Dark Days and just straight redo them. Nothing complicated, same versions of the character, same color schemes, same BAFs, just on the current molds & sculpts and articulation. We would all go crazy. What, a new Banshee on the ANAD spidey 2099 buck? Quicksilver on the Pizza Spidey buck? Whoaa, Emma Frost in her lingerie (which will never happen again, BTW) on one of the new awesome female bucks? Tigra? Tigra on the Moonstone buck? Even the hardcorest of OG's who are the most critical of redos will have to admit they will gladly pay for a redo of any one of those figures over yet another MCU Captain America, Iron Man or (shudder) Starlord. So, make no mistake, the comic fans are the ones who carried the line and will continue to do so as long as we can, but if ML does ultimately begin to fail once again, it will be due to the current game plan of oversaturation of movie figures over the comic figures. And when it does, don't even assume to blame it on the hardcore fans, the OG's, cuz we've been here the whole time. There's only so much Chris & Chris & Robert & Chris we can take before were exhausted. Still ain't seen near enough of Scarlett or even hide nor hair of Paul (Bettany), tho. Imagine that. And you really think the Higher Ups at Hasbro are really in tune with what the fans want, cuz I guarantee, if anyone of them had even bothered to ask any one of us what we wanted out of the Black Panther wave, not a damn one of us woulda said Nakia or Okoye, much less one of them being the BAF. Man-Ape was the only one any of us could fathom as a BAF & they even had a decent base with the Man-Thing figure but they didn't even regard it as the most obvious option due to their insistence to push the MCU.