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  1. 2 What other company is out there that could handle Legends anyway? Mattel? Not really, then they would all look like DCUC figures and Marvel would not want their figures to look like the competitions offerings(most legends collectors probably wouldn't want ML to look like DCUC either) and they would likely be $15 a pop if not more for a single card release. you guys kill me with that 15.00 crap. i have NEVER bought a dcu for 15.00...so where have you been seeing them at that price? not to mention that even if they were 15.00...you still get a BaF. as far MLs go, if they were 15 bucks, ML goers would just b*tch, b*tch, b*tch as they still spend that 15 on MLs!
  2. true. i went to both of the walmarts on s.27th, and called the rest....none in sight.
  3. Are you talking about the Warpath fig? Cause I heard all the MLs displayed at the Con were more like in-house customs than actual prototypes. Now, that said, as long as the fig looks different enough (ie, Warpath has a mask on and looks different enough for me) and the figs are well done, then I'm good to go. I have much lower standards than some. ;) if thats true...thats really good news!
  4. all in all, if hasbro keeps producing legends(even if its at a slow a** pace) the line isnt dead. but if i was a die hard marvel collector, the reuse of heads would definitely kill it for me.
  5. theres no need for a price jump, seeing that they nixed the BaF. Actually there was a price bump. Now you buy 2 figs for $23 or $24, but as you said, you don't get a BAF. So, you are paying about the same price w/o the BAF. thats true. thats why i dont like buying dcu 2 packs. true, both figs only cost about 12 bucks, but theres no C&C piece.
  6. theres no need for a price jump, seeing that they nixed the BaF.
  7. then you are the winner!(of my contest) i thank monron for implanting the idea, and allowing use of his thread! also, i want to thank thedevilsdue! thank you, everybody.....and goodnight!
  8. It isn't as if any side is going to win this argument. DC pimps out Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, and Wonder Woman. Marvel pimps out Spider-Man, Wolverine, Iron Man, and Captain America (and Deadpool). Last time I checked, it was good business to promote your most popular characters. But hey, I guess capitalism is dead. No your right it is good business, but most every one her do not own DC, or Marvel. Soooo. you are the consumer pick a side. This is for pooda, you forgot these comics: 1.BatMan 2.BatMan Confidental 3.BatMan Streets of Gotham 4.BatMan The Unseen 5.BatMan Detective Comics 6.BatMan and Robin 7.BatMan Widening Gyre 8.BatMan The Brave and The Bold 9.Blackest Night BatMan 10.SuperMan, BatMan 11.Justice League 12.Secret Six Im pretty sure Im missing some, but all im saying is i would buy one ongoing series. Then I would become a big fan and have to buy 20 different BatMan Comics. whats your point? Marvel Comics Presents: Wolverine Vol. 1 (Vol. 1 #1-10) Marvel Comics Presents: Wolverine Vol. 2 (Vol. 1 #39-50) Marvel Comics Presents: Wolverine Vol. 3 (Vol. 1 #51-61) Marvel Comics Presents: Wolverine Vol. 4 (Vol. 1 #62-71) Wolverine: Weapon X (Marvel Comics Presents Vol. 1 #72-84) Wolverine: Blood Hungry (Marvel Comics Presents Vol. 1 #85-92) Wolverine (Vol. 1 #1-4) Essential Wolverine Vol. 1 (Vol. 2 #1-23) Essential Wolverine Vol. 2 (Vol. 2 #24-47) Essential Wolverine Vol. 3 (Vol. 2 #48-69) Essential Wolverine Vol. 4 (Vol. 2 #70-90) Essential Wolverine Vol. 5 (Vol. 2 #91-110, Annual '96 & Uncanny X-Men #332) Wolverine Classic Vol. 1 (Vol. 2 #1-5) Wolverine Classic Vol. 2 (Vol. 2 #6-10) Wolverine Classic Vol. 3 (Vol. 2 #11-16) Wolverine Classic Vol. 4 (Vol. 2 #17-23) Wolverine Classic Vol. 5 (Vol. 2 #24-30) Wolverine Legends Vol. 6: Marc Silvestri (Vol. 2 #31-34, 41-42, 48-50) Wolverine: Not Dead Yet (Vol. 2 #119-122) X-Men vs. Apocalypse Vol. 1: The Twelve (Vol. 2 #146-147) X-Men vs. Apocalypse Vol. 2: Ages of Apocalypse (Vol. 2 #148) Wolverine Legends Vol. 3: Law of the Jungle (Vol. 2 #181-186) Wolverine Vol. 1: The Brotherhood (Vol. 3 #1-6) Wolverine Vol. 2: Coyote Crossing (Vol. 3 #7-11) Wolverine Vol. 3: Return of the Native (Vol. 3 #12-19) Wolverine: Enemy of the State Vol. 1 (Vol. 3 #20-25) Wolverine: Enemy of the State Vol. 2 (Vol. 3 #26-32) House of M: World of M Featuring Wolverine (Vol. 3 #33-35) Wolverine: Origins and Endings (Vol. 3 #36-40) Wolverine: Blood and Sorrow (Vol. 3 #41, 49 & Giant-Size Wolverine #1) Wolverine: Civil War (Vol. 3 #42-48) Wolverine: Evolution (Vol. 3 #50-55) Wolverine: The Death of Wolverine (Vol. 3 #56-61) Wolverine: Get Mystique (Vol. 3 #62-65) Wolverine: Origins Vol. 1 - BORN IN BLOOD (Wolverine: Origins #1-5) Wolverine: Origins Vol. 2 - SAVIOR (Wolverine: Origins #6-10) Wolverine: Origins Vol. 3 - SWIFT AND TERRIBLE (Wolverine: Origins #11-15) Wolverine: Origins Vol. 4 - OUR WAR (Wolverine: Origins #16-20, Annual #1) Wolverine: Origins Vol. 5 - DEADPOOL (Wolverine: Origins #21-27) X-men: Original Sin (Wolverine: Origins #28-30, X-men: Original Sin one-shot, & X-Men: Legacy #217-218) Wolverine: Origins Dark Reign (Wolverine: Origins #31-36) Wolverine: First Class - The Rookie (Wolverine: First Class #1-4, Incredible Hulk #181) Wolverine: First Class - To Russia With Love (Wolverine: First Class #5-8) Wolverine: First Class - Wolverine by Night (Wolverine: First Class #9-12) Wolverine Legends Vol. 2: Meltdown (Havok & Wolverine: Meltdown #1-4) Where not talking mini series, on going and current as in all those titles i mentiond. And those wolverines, alot are from one ongoing series. As in monthly, Right Now. weapon X Wolverin Orgins Wolverine First Class oLd Man Logan His Books, Not Teams alot of the batman books that youve listed are mini series! fact is, DC does the same crap that marvel does. trying to point out "petty" differences isnt going to change that!
  9. It isn't as if any side is going to win this argument. DC pimps out Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, and Wonder Woman. Marvel pimps out Spider-Man, Wolverine, Iron Man, and Captain America (and Deadpool). Last time I checked, it was good business to promote your most popular characters. But hey, I guess capitalism is dead. No your right it is good business, but most every one her do not own DC, or Marvel. Soooo. you are the consumer pick a side. This is for pooda, you forgot these comics: 1.BatMan 2.BatMan Confidental 3.BatMan Streets of Gotham 4.BatMan The Unseen 5.BatMan Detective Comics 6.BatMan and Robin 7.BatMan Widening Gyre 8.BatMan The Brave and The Bold 9.Blackest Night BatMan 10.SuperMan, BatMan 11.Justice League 12.Secret Six Im pretty sure Im missing some, but all im saying is i would buy one ongoing series. Then I would become a big fan and have to buy 20 different BatMan Comics. whats your point? Marvel Comics Presents: Wolverine Vol. 1 (Vol. 1 #1-10) Marvel Comics Presents: Wolverine Vol. 2 (Vol. 1 #39-50) Marvel Comics Presents: Wolverine Vol. 3 (Vol. 1 #51-61) Marvel Comics Presents: Wolverine Vol. 4 (Vol. 1 #62-71) Wolverine: Weapon X (Marvel Comics Presents Vol. 1 #72-84) Wolverine: Blood Hungry (Marvel Comics Presents Vol. 1 #85-92) Wolverine (Vol. 1 #1-4) Essential Wolverine Vol. 1 (Vol. 2 #1-23) Essential Wolverine Vol. 2 (Vol. 2 #24-47) Essential Wolverine Vol. 3 (Vol. 2 #48-69) Essential Wolverine Vol. 4 (Vol. 2 #70-90) Essential Wolverine Vol. 5 (Vol. 2 #91-110, Annual '96 & Uncanny X-Men #332) Wolverine Classic Vol. 1 (Vol. 2 #1-5) Wolverine Classic Vol. 2 (Vol. 2 #6-10) Wolverine Classic Vol. 3 (Vol. 2 #11-16) Wolverine Classic Vol. 4 (Vol. 2 #17-23) Wolverine Classic Vol. 5 (Vol. 2 #24-30) Wolverine Legends Vol. 6: Marc Silvestri (Vol. 2 #31-34, 41-42, 48-50) Wolverine: Not Dead Yet (Vol. 2 #119-122) X-Men vs. Apocalypse Vol. 1: The Twelve (Vol. 2 #146-147) X-Men vs. Apocalypse Vol. 2: Ages of Apocalypse (Vol. 2 #148) Wolverine Legends Vol. 3: Law of the Jungle (Vol. 2 #181-186) Wolverine Vol. 1: The Brotherhood (Vol. 3 #1-6) Wolverine Vol. 2: Coyote Crossing (Vol. 3 #7-11) Wolverine Vol. 3: Return of the Native (Vol. 3 #12-19) Wolverine: Enemy of the State Vol. 1 (Vol. 3 #20-25) Wolverine: Enemy of the State Vol. 2 (Vol. 3 #26-32) House of M: World of M Featuring Wolverine (Vol. 3 #33-35) Wolverine: Origins and Endings (Vol. 3 #36-40) Wolverine: Blood and Sorrow (Vol. 3 #41, 49 & Giant-Size Wolverine #1) Wolverine: Civil War (Vol. 3 #42-48) Wolverine: Evolution (Vol. 3 #50-55) Wolverine: The Death of Wolverine (Vol. 3 #56-61) Wolverine: Get Mystique (Vol. 3 #62-65) Wolverine: Origins Vol. 1 - BORN IN BLOOD (Wolverine: Origins #1-5) Wolverine: Origins Vol. 2 - SAVIOR (Wolverine: Origins #6-10) Wolverine: Origins Vol. 3 - SWIFT AND TERRIBLE (Wolverine: Origins #11-15) Wolverine: Origins Vol. 4 - OUR WAR (Wolverine: Origins #16-20, Annual #1) Wolverine: Origins Vol. 5 - DEADPOOL (Wolverine: Origins #21-27) X-men: Original Sin (Wolverine: Origins #28-30, X-men: Original Sin one-shot, & X-Men: Legacy #217-218) Wolverine: Origins Dark Reign (Wolverine: Origins #31-36) Wolverine: First Class - The Rookie (Wolverine: First Class #1-4, Incredible Hulk #181) Wolverine: First Class - To Russia With Love (Wolverine: First Class #5-8) Wolverine: First Class - Wolverine by Night (Wolverine: First Class #9-12) Wolverine Legends Vol. 2: Meltdown (Havok & Wolverine: Meltdown #1-4)
  10. i cant believe that most of you like the 2pack sue over the ronan version.
  11. im willing to accept a buck body if it means that most, if not all characters are produced.
  12. Awfully plain??? Seriously?? Yeesh. You must hate Hasbro's ML and MU then. Dark Reign. Batman is in three comics. How many comics is Wolverine in? (the answer is somewhere in the vicinity of 7) right. it seems to be okay to be part of the xmen, avengers, alpha flight, team x, and weapon x, but its a problem when the bat does it.....tisk, tisk.
  13. monron999 has given me the most wonderful idea!... whowever can find me a set of DCUC wave 10(ill pay for them of course) gets a free nick fury/hand ninja pack MOC!!!
  14. Oh i know what DCUC is all about, shoddy QC, impossible to find figures, high prices, articulation on par/below that of even Hasbro MLs and I LIKE DCUC. Please don't ever use excuses like prices of DC cuz ML Foom series was way outta line to start with and as far as availability goes, Hasbro has given us terrible product or did you already forget Nemesis wave? Hasbro can't paint or shade anything and their articulation is so shoddy you should be ashamed of even mentioning DCUC in the same category. Need another refresher? How bout Target series Black Spiderman. What kind of spidey can't freaking move his hands to shoot webs? Overall I would have to say DCUC has taken all of the stumbling blocks of Hasbro and perfected on their ideas from Toybiz concepts. The only complaint I have with them is I would prefer more hand variations. DCUC and Hasbro are in 2 different leagues, hasbro happens to be in the minors waiting to be called up to play. ML Foom wave had a nice excuse, most of the figures were on the large scale(much larger then any normal ML/DCUC these days for sure, minus She Hulk anyway, and Sampson and Absorbing Man were about normal size if not a tad bigger) and the paint on a good bit of those figures were good as well, and Foom himself is bigger then any DCUC C&C except maybe Chemo. Nemesis wave huh? yeah Beast is crap kinda(a wash would fix his looks but the artic is lame on the legs, swivel is needed more so then double knees) Nova is crap cause of the plastic colors and no sculpted detail, normal Punisher is bland(camo is great though) Daredevil is easily the BEST Daredevil released to date, Black Bolt may have Hasbro articulation and slap hands but he's on par with DCUC, Tigra's a bit scrawny and the hasbroticulation hurts her but other wise she's a nice looking female, and Nemesis is a nice figure as well, also this wave was sculpted and budgeted out before they got their game together. Target Wave Spidey, why does he need the classic hand pose? the Symbiote Spidey didn't use webbing that way, least not when i've seen it, uses it the same way Venom does, with a fist lowered somewhat and the webs coming out from the back of the hand/wrist(true he doesn't come with a fist so it is kinda is a moot point but still) As for articulation as a whole, if you take most HML and DCUC and count em they add up to about the same(HML's easily winning with the new 2 packs though) so thats also a moot point. HML 2 packs on a whole are better then DCUC now. you call that an excuse? an extra inch or so justifies adding 4 extra bucks? i dont mind paying 15 bucks for a fig, but im not going to let and extra inch in height be my reason for doing it. as far as your two pack statement...dont see it. as far as articulation goes...dcu aint the best, but hasbo aint either! if it wasnt for some of the old TB molds(which they use incorrectly imo) MLs would be totally crap! i dont perfer dcu over ml, i just perfer dc over marvel. Extra inch or so in height, and much more mass overall = much more plastic, when oil and materials were sky high, how hard is this to understand? Whats DCUC's excuse though? cause wave 6 and 7 sell like hot cakes and places can't get rid of em? Is that why wave 9 is so under produced? It's true hasbro reuses the havoc/marvel etc body a LOT and in most cases it works, but in wave 1 of the two packs they had Ult Cap and Fury, both with double knees and elbows, and Fury's coat and arms were completely new(the rest was as well kind of since Punisher hadn't been released yet) Ronin has double elbows and knees, that new Wolverine had double knees and elbows and only thing reused on him was the torso from Ult Wolverine, hell the only figures in wave 1 with single joints were Elektra's elbows and Thing(and even thing got a much nicer paint job) Wave 2, lots of reuse but all fitting, and the only single joint is once again the female elbows, IM is a whole new mold with fantastic articulation. (WM exclusive 2 packs are still crap though, sure the XMen movie ones have nice Cyke and Wolvy head sculpts but other then that more reuse, and the first WM exclusive packs only one they got right is Domino) HML IS winning the articulation race now, you can try and deny it all you want but its true. And like i said even most of the lower amount of artic HMLs still have the same PoA as DCUC, they just work differently. As for paint on a whole, DCUC has more, is that better though? its arguable, in some cases more paint would help Hasbro's sculpts but in others they don't need more paint. And please, don't bring up reusing TB molds as a bad thing, other wise DCUC would be nothing but a lost cause since at least way more then half of the line is reuse. DCUC is a great line, just seems like some DC fans are blinded by it cause they just now finally have a good line. HML has a long list of failures, a lot of HML1/2/3 for example(3 was when they started to get the hang of the line though) but in the long run DCUC and HML are on equal footing or HML is in the lead by a hair. whats dcu's excuse for what? dcu figs have always been 13 bucks. hell...EVERYTHINGS AT LEAST 13 BUCKS! i just see a lot of marvel goers holding on to that sad a** excuse that hasbro had for upping the price on MLs like a security blanket. why is wave 9 so hard to find? ill answer that when you tell me why ML 6, 7, and 8 were so hard to find.(sh*t happens my brotha) you can fool yourself into believing that hasbro's MLs are ahead of mattel's DCUs if you want, and its your right, but a hml only stands a chance with an old TB body. crazy thing is this: a line that has 10 waves, 2 con exclusives, 6 two packs, and a cartoon line(public enimies) all using the same body molds, is showing no sign of "falling off" , and you somehow figure that theyre loosing the race? actually...why are we even debating this? whats the real topic of this thread? seeems that weve just jacked this thread, huh?(lol) Yeah DCUC is the new ML, its coming up. But I think as a whole ML is still more popular. Just go on ebay and the market for ML is about 5,000 items for sale. DCUC is about 2,000 items, so ML is still better Because of Marvels Fan Base. But DCUC is doing good for themselves. well, thats not surprising seeing that marvel has more figs anyway. wait? did you say since marvel's fan base is bigger, that makes MLs better?...( i think that i need to sit..) if you look at most people's trade/sell list on any board, you'll find a sh*t load of MLs for sell. the fact is, a lot of people jut like action figures...period. of course you have the die hards out there, but alot of people collect out of impulse wants. i'll use myself as an example. most people figure me to be a DC "die hard", or to better put it, a batman fanboy. the fact is...i just like figures! dont get me wrong, as a character....im batman all the way! but im not going to buy, or make excuses for any of the of the B.S. story lines, or product thats out there. i like marvel. i like comics. thats why i was heavy into marvel legends!(plus they were articulated) but over half of the characters that were released i only bought out of boredom, to get a BaF, or because there was nothing else out there.(basicly boredom) thats the same with DCUC. i dont like every character that mattel choses to make, its just the fact that for once, i can actually build at least 88% of a group. weather it be the teen titans, or the freakin c listers like the metal men, i still have the option. but im not committed to DCU figures only. a lot of marvel fans act as if they cant be honest about a good action figure. maybe some of the stuff that is said about DCU figs is really how they feel, but a lot of people are just haters. if you go to both boards, read some of the post. marvel collectors compare MLs to DCUs a lot more than DC collectors compare DCUs to MLs....why is that?
  15. Dude, the Electra mold doesn't use exactly the same hip articulation. IIRC (w/o looking) the crotch joints are V shaped and it makes her...erm...assets look odd while at the same time making it hard to stand, move, etc. They may have a tried a similar articulation, but they failed miserably at it. I mean, if it's such a problem how did Mattel get it to work so much better? The half ball joints Hasbro used on some of their newer females are actually preferable to straight out ball joints tho. Yeah, i know she's really a v crotch instead of a t, but its still close, and the mattel hips still don't work so much better, i'd say the best hips that aren't ball joints would be the ones on like TB Nick Fury and ML3 Wolverine, similar but look/work better then the t crotch mattel/neca currently uses*cough* Nemesis wave Beast/Foom wave Sampson needed those *cough* Still, ya gotta admit the mattel/neca style looks bad when posed in any meaningful poses. Neca is different than DCUC. Check out the DC action photos thread on toynewsi.com some time to see how great you can pose the figs. plus, a lot of MLs look funny if you stand them up straight!...soooo, whats the point? no matter what anyone says...ball joints are hiddious!(in the hip area)
  16. Oh, I see it alright. As a matter of fact I'm all about the DCUC right now. The 4 awesome waves, with C&C's, we've seen this year alone only depresses me more about the demise of ML. I'm a huge fan of Mattel's practice of using basically 4 or 5 molds (very good molds), vinyl parts and definitive paint jobs to create as many fan friendly waves as possible. For a company that, during the early stages of DCUC, insisted on having at least 1 Supes or Bats in every wave, they've certainly come around to the understanding that fans drive the industry. If a company like Mattel can make that change after decades of a Barbie-type marketing strategy, a diverse company like Hasbro should be able to do it as well. They already do it with MU, but will never translate it over to ML because focus at this point is to make maximum profits using as little material as possible. That's what it comes down to because they certainly have the capacity, but as long as they stay profittable doing what they are doing, they'll never have the motivation. not even that. most DC collectors buy any figures that are DC related with no problem.(a,b,c,or d listers) when hasbro ventured out and started making anyother figures besides a&b listers...they warmed pegs. plus, marvel has more of a child following, than adult.(thats why sooo many marvel products have gimmicks, action features, etc...) DC is more of an adult following(outside of bats/supes) it wasnt until hasbro started starving collectors of MLs, that sells picked up. if youve noticed, the little bit of product being released sells better that flooding the pegs with stuff that stores cant give away. the 1st wave of 2packs went from 20.00 to 5.00. brood, blob, foom, rulk, and ares waves all seen the clearence isle. the way hasbro's playing it is a far better business move on their part. Not even sure that's exactly the case. I just think Mattel is controlling the production a lot better than Hasbro did (or does). I love DCUC but I can actually do without some of em. I basically buy em all to complete the C&C, which have all been awesome to this point, even Gorilla Grod with his like 2 point of articulation, but he is more of a lover than a fighter anyway. When ML included more obscure figures I think they sold pretty well as a whole but once the restocks came in they were easier to find and I think the reasons some of them warmed the pegs were more quality based (ie. Bucky, Quicksilver, Gambit, etc). One the other side, a lot of the obscures did very well too (ie. Spiral, Marvel Girl, Crossbones, Kang, etc). Point in case, I've only caught glimpse of DCUC Giganta Wave and no part of Chemo Wave in the WM's in my area because they won't restock until they can unload the Atom Smasher wave that're rotting on the shelves now (literally). Even the variants and females are sitting there unmoved in the one closest to my house. I keep waiting for them to go on sale but I get the impression there's probably even more cases in the back. I got my entire Giganta Wave at TRU and the Chemo Wave, except for Deadshot, from Target. The entire time I've collected DCUC that one wave is the only time I've seen Mattel overproduce in a manner similar to the way ML was. It may be different in your area, I don't know. Another point worth making is the fact that most everything in DCUC comes from basically one timeline. ML pulls from way too many different realities (ultimate, movies, reborn, etc). I swear, if I see another freakin AoA fig my head will explode. Some people will point out that Marvel Girl, Cable and Bishop are all from different timelines, but that's not what I mean. ML needs to stick with the current relevant mainstream continuity. Then you have the "Classic" look gimmick. When DCUC does it, the classic version (or modern version in some cases) are usually just a variant within the same wave. ML does it across seperate lines such as Hulk in wave 1, then 1st Hulk in wave nine. Then you get the Marvel flagship characters that have way too many costume changes (black spidey, classic spidey, iron spidey, IM's 100's of armors, brown wolvie, yellow wolvie, x-uniform wolvie, on and on and on). There are basically only 2 DCUC characters that see that kind of repetition, Supes and Bats, but even at that I have yet to see an alternate timeline or movie based fig of either one. Marvels dynamics are part of what ruined ML. you also have to understand that bouncing around between a bunch of time lines was the reason why it took 3-5 years to complete 1/4 of a ML team. plus, thats just an excuse to keep rehashing the same anchor characters. hense the 15 wolveys, hulks, ironmen, etc.. as far as movie characters go....why? mattel has a movie masters line for that. but its not like movie characters in ML lines were accepted either. at least mattel doesnt make a key character a variant. ....or a HTF figure. plus, it took marvel how many years before they started that "time line" thing? they dabbled in some ultimates, stuck a toe in AoA, and then what? you want them to make story based figs? not going to happen. i can hear the matty team "hey, lets make batman and son, batman the long holloween, batman the brave and the bold, batman hush and gotham knight figures"....bad idea! unless theres a drastic change in the character's costume, its a waste of space with ANY line.
  17. Oh i know what DCUC is all about, shoddy QC, impossible to find figures, high prices, articulation on par/below that of even Hasbro MLs and I LIKE DCUC. Please don't ever use excuses like prices of DC cuz ML Foom series was way outta line to start with and as far as availability goes, Hasbro has given us terrible product or did you already forget Nemesis wave? Hasbro can't paint or shade anything and their articulation is so shoddy you should be ashamed of even mentioning DCUC in the same category. Need another refresher? How bout Target series Black Spiderman. What kind of spidey can't freaking move his hands to shoot webs? Overall I would have to say DCUC has taken all of the stumbling blocks of Hasbro and perfected on their ideas from Toybiz concepts. The only complaint I have with them is I would prefer more hand variations. DCUC and Hasbro are in 2 different leagues, hasbro happens to be in the minors waiting to be called up to play. ML Foom wave had a nice excuse, most of the figures were on the large scale(much larger then any normal ML/DCUC these days for sure, minus She Hulk anyway, and Sampson and Absorbing Man were about normal size if not a tad bigger) and the paint on a good bit of those figures were good as well, and Foom himself is bigger then any DCUC C&C except maybe Chemo. Nemesis wave huh? yeah Beast is crap kinda(a wash would fix his looks but the artic is lame on the legs, swivel is needed more so then double knees) Nova is crap cause of the plastic colors and no sculpted detail, normal Punisher is bland(camo is great though) Daredevil is easily the BEST Daredevil released to date, Black Bolt may have Hasbro articulation and slap hands but he's on par with DCUC, Tigra's a bit scrawny and the hasbroticulation hurts her but other wise she's a nice looking female, and Nemesis is a nice figure as well, also this wave was sculpted and budgeted out before they got their game together. Target Wave Spidey, why does he need the classic hand pose? the Symbiote Spidey didn't use webbing that way, least not when i've seen it, uses it the same way Venom does, with a fist lowered somewhat and the webs coming out from the back of the hand/wrist(true he doesn't come with a fist so it is kinda is a moot point but still) As for articulation as a whole, if you take most HML and DCUC and count em they add up to about the same(HML's easily winning with the new 2 packs though) so thats also a moot point. HML 2 packs on a whole are better then DCUC now. you call that an excuse? an extra inch or so justifies adding 4 extra bucks? i dont mind paying 15 bucks for a fig, but im not going to let and extra inch in height be my reason for doing it. as far as your two pack statement...dont see it. as far as articulation goes...dcu aint the best, but hasbo aint either! if it wasnt for some of the old TB molds(which they use incorrectly imo) MLs would be totally crap! i dont perfer dcu over ml, i just perfer dc over marvel. Extra inch or so in height, and much more mass overall = much more plastic, when oil and materials were sky high, how hard is this to understand? Whats DCUC's excuse though? cause wave 6 and 7 sell like hot cakes and places can't get rid of em? Is that why wave 9 is so under produced? It's true hasbro reuses the havoc/marvel etc body a LOT and in most cases it works, but in wave 1 of the two packs they had Ult Cap and Fury, both with double knees and elbows, and Fury's coat and arms were completely new(the rest was as well kind of since Punisher hadn't been released yet) Ronin has double elbows and knees, that new Wolverine had double knees and elbows and only thing reused on him was the torso from Ult Wolverine, hell the only figures in wave 1 with single joints were Elektra's elbows and Thing(and even thing got a much nicer paint job) Wave 2, lots of reuse but all fitting, and the only single joint is once again the female elbows, IM is a whole new mold with fantastic articulation. (WM exclusive 2 packs are still crap though, sure the XMen movie ones have nice Cyke and Wolvy head sculpts but other then that more reuse, and the first WM exclusive packs only one they got right is Domino) HML IS winning the articulation race now, you can try and deny it all you want but its true. And like i said even most of the lower amount of artic HMLs still have the same PoA as DCUC, they just work differently. As for paint on a whole, DCUC has more, is that better though? its arguable, in some cases more paint would help Hasbro's sculpts but in others they don't need more paint. And please, don't bring up reusing TB molds as a bad thing, other wise DCUC would be nothing but a lost cause since at least way more then half of the line is reuse. DCUC is a great line, just seems like some DC fans are blinded by it cause they just now finally have a good line. HML has a long list of failures, a lot of HML1/2/3 for example(3 was when they started to get the hang of the line though) but in the long run DCUC and HML are on equal footing or HML is in the lead by a hair. whats dcu's excuse for what? dcu figs have always been 13 bucks. hell...EVERYTHINGS AT LEAST 13 BUCKS! i just see a lot of marvel goers holding on to that sad a** excuse that hasbro had for upping the price on MLs like a security blanket. why is wave 9 so hard to find? ill answer that when you tell me why ML 6, 7, and 8 were so hard to find.(sh*t happens my brotha) you can fool yourself into believing that hasbro's MLs are ahead of mattel's DCUs if you want, and its your right, but a hml only stands a chance with an old TB body. crazy thing is this: a line that has 10 waves, 2 con exclusives, 6 two packs, and a cartoon line(public enimies) all using the same body molds, is showing no sign of "falling off" , and you somehow figure that theyre loosing the race? actually...why are we even debating this? whats the real topic of this thread? seeems that weve just jacked this thread, huh?(lol)
  18. Oh i know what DCUC is all about, shoddy QC, impossible to find figures, high prices, articulation on par/below that of even Hasbro MLs and I LIKE DCUC. Please don't ever use excuses like prices of DC cuz ML Foom series was way outta line to start with and as far as availability goes, Hasbro has given us terrible product or did you already forget Nemesis wave? Hasbro can't paint or shade anything and their articulation is so shoddy you should be ashamed of even mentioning DCUC in the same category. Need another refresher? How bout Target series Black Spiderman. What kind of spidey can't freaking move his hands to shoot webs? Overall I would have to say DCUC has taken all of the stumbling blocks of Hasbro and perfected on their ideas from Toybiz concepts. The only complaint I have with them is I would prefer more hand variations. DCUC and Hasbro are in 2 different leagues, hasbro happens to be in the minors waiting to be called up to play. ML Foom wave had a nice excuse, most of the figures were on the large scale(much larger then any normal ML/DCUC these days for sure, minus She Hulk anyway, and Sampson and Absorbing Man were about normal size if not a tad bigger) and the paint on a good bit of those figures were good as well, and Foom himself is bigger then any DCUC C&C except maybe Chemo. Nemesis wave huh? yeah Beast is crap kinda(a wash would fix his looks but the artic is lame on the legs, swivel is needed more so then double knees) Nova is crap cause of the plastic colors and no sculpted detail, normal Punisher is bland(camo is great though) Daredevil is easily the BEST Daredevil released to date, Black Bolt may have Hasbro articulation and slap hands but he's on par with DCUC, Tigra's a bit scrawny and the hasbroticulation hurts her but other wise she's a nice looking female, and Nemesis is a nice figure as well, also this wave was sculpted and budgeted out before they got their game together. Target Wave Spidey, why does he need the classic hand pose? the Symbiote Spidey didn't use webbing that way, least not when i've seen it, uses it the same way Venom does, with a fist lowered somewhat and the webs coming out from the back of the hand/wrist(true he doesn't come with a fist so it is kinda is a moot point but still) As for articulation as a whole, if you take most HML and DCUC and count em they add up to about the same(HML's easily winning with the new 2 packs though) so thats also a moot point. HML 2 packs on a whole are better then DCUC now. you call that an excuse? an extra inch or so justifies adding 4 extra bucks? i dont mind paying 15 bucks for a fig, but im not going to let and extra inch in height be my reason for doing it. as far as your two pack statement...dont see it. as far as articulation goes...dcu aint the best, but hasbo aint either! if it wasnt for some of the old TB molds(which they use incorrectly imo) MLs would be totally crap! i dont perfer dcu over ml, i just perfer dc over marvel.
  19. Oh, I see it alright. As a matter of fact I'm all about the DCUC right now. The 4 awesome waves, with C&C's, we've seen this year alone only depresses me more about the demise of ML. I'm a huge fan of Mattel's practice of using basically 4 or 5 molds (very good molds), vinyl parts and definitive paint jobs to create as many fan friendly waves as possible. For a company that, during the early stages of DCUC, insisted on having at least 1 Supes or Bats in every wave, they've certainly come around to the understanding that fans drive the industry. If a company like Mattel can make that change after decades of a Barbie-type marketing strategy, a diverse company like Hasbro should be able to do it as well. They already do it with MU, but will never translate it over to ML because focus at this point is to make maximum profits using as little material as possible. That's what it comes down to because they certainly have the capacity, but as long as they stay profittable doing what they are doing, they'll never have the motivation. not even that. most DC collectors buy any figures that are DC related with no problem.(a,b,c,or d listers) when hasbro ventured out and started making anyother figures besides a&b listers...they warmed pegs. plus, marvel has more of a child following, than adult.(thats why sooo many marvel products have gimmicks, action features, etc...) DC is more of an adult following(outside of bats/supes) it wasnt until hasbro started starving collectors of MLs, that sells picked up. if youve noticed, the little bit of product being released sells better that flooding the pegs with stuff that stores cant give away. the 1st wave of 2packs went from 20.00 to 5.00. brood, blob, foom, rulk, and ares waves all seen the clearence isle. the way hasbro's playing it is a far better business move on their part. If DCU was more of an adult line, you wouldn't find it in your more common toy aisles. It would be online just like the Masters of the Universe Figures are. I see McFarlane with his sports stuff in Toysrus but it just warms pegs and that is stuff for adults. The DCUC stuff hadn't been warming pegs even now with some exceptions of series 6 in some markets. With that being said, DCUC gives you better selection, listens to fans which Hasbro still has yet to do with the exception of one previous bad poll and the current ridiculous one. If Hasbro really wants to bring this line up, which they don't because sculpts, painting, and figure choices prove that, then they should hold an open poll with FILL IN spots for the top 3-5 characters fans would want. Then compile the data and produce figures based upon the top 5-20 characters from the polls. Chances are you would see figures again like Deadpoll but reality is you would also get figures like Classic Ultron, Gladiator, Enchantress, etc just to name a few. Also why not release the results of HOW MANY actually voted for the AoA crappy Sunfire. I am curious just to find out how many people actually wanted this item. It would give a decent idea of how many people are in the market for new ML figures. Until Hasbro wakes up, which is never I will stick to customizing to get what I want. DCUC is a collector line. anything that is sold at retail has an anchor to attract younger comic goers to he line, but you really dont expect little timmy to give a damn about forager, robotman, gaurdian, mantis, gentleman ghost, etc.. hell, thats what hasbro has the problem with! they have the rights to a major line, and cant get kids to buy any of the figures outside of spidey, wolvey, hulk, and ironman. i heard people talking about how they see little kids buying legends, or dcu...bullsh*t! ive seen kids buying everything BUT figures from those lines! the motuc thing that mattel is doing has to deal with what theyre able to sell(or not sell) at retail. how many kids born after '87 give two sh*ts about he-man? motu has a good collector fan-base, but it has always sucked at retail(except in the begining) plus this is mattel's way of being sure that no money is wasted. samething that theyre doing with the ghostbusters, and dark knight movie figures. if you have any exclusives from dcu, look on the package...it says 4+. but if you look closer, somewhere on that same box its going to say...adult collector.
  20. Oh, I see it alright. As a matter of fact I'm all about the DCUC right now. The 4 awesome waves, with C&C's, we've seen this year alone only depresses me more about the demise of ML. I'm a huge fan of Mattel's practice of using basically 4 or 5 molds (very good molds), vinyl parts and definitive paint jobs to create as many fan friendly waves as possible. For a company that, during the early stages of DCUC, insisted on having at least 1 Supes or Bats in every wave, they've certainly come around to the understanding that fans drive the industry. If a company like Mattel can make that change after decades of a Barbie-type marketing strategy, a diverse company like Hasbro should be able to do it as well. They already do it with MU, but will never translate it over to ML because focus at this point is to make maximum profits using as little material as possible. That's what it comes down to because they certainly have the capacity, but as long as they stay profittable doing what they are doing, they'll never have the motivation. not even that. most DC collectors buy any figures that are DC related with no problem.(a,b,c,or d listers) when hasbro ventured out and started making anyother figures besides a&b listers...they warmed pegs. plus, marvel has more of a child following, than adult.(thats why sooo many marvel products have gimmicks, action features, etc...) DC is more of an adult following(outside of bats/supes) it wasnt until hasbro started starving collectors of MLs, that sells picked up. if youve noticed, the little bit of product being released sells better that flooding the pegs with stuff that stores cant give away. the 1st wave of 2packs went from 20.00 to 5.00. brood, blob, foom, rulk, and ares waves all seen the clearence isle. the way hasbro's playing it is a far better business move on their part.
  21. the FF4 pack? is the sue as ugly as i think? i think that i want the pack, but i might have to do a head swap. Eh, there's a pic above. That's basically what she looks like. She has kind of a plain expression on her face. Now, she's the best Sue they've ever made...but...well...Her articulation isn't great in comparison to other MLs. The face on Sharon Carter has more expression(?)...Sue's face is just really plain. I'm not sure what she'd be doing...it's kind of unnatural looking. The body is good, except for the lack of articulation. Oh and her right hand (open palm) is HUGE. Too me it looks like she has a man hand. I guess I'm happy with it since the only other Sue I had was from the Ronan series...but...that's really not saying much. ETA: The Johnny Storm is really cool looking. Just one problem. You can't have him look straight ahead w/o putting him in a weird pose. =[ they used the silver surfer's hand. take a look at your FF4 legends sue hand, then look at the FF4 legends SS hand...same one. thats probally the same thing with the 2 pack sue.
  22. the FF4 pack? is the sue as ugly as i think? i think that i want the pack, but i might have to do a head swap.
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